Scoring Punches; The Witter fight

[ono]

Dunno what that was about either...Spose he had to look like he was doing something though. Im more gutted for Witter cos i feel he should have had a shot at Hatton.

See everyone now going on about how they were write about Ricky not ducking Witter.Ricky just waited for someone else to do the job for him....Why didn't he do it himself (off topic but probably last chance i got to post today though)

In the days before the fight I mentioned a theory I had.

Witter is past his prime.
He took Bradley assuming that this obscure fringe contender wouldn't be enough to beat him and he would defend again.

Hatton was Witter's meal ticket. Witter didn't actually care about the fight. A win woiuld be great, but it was the money he was actually after.
The tilte and a few defenses was a great bargaining tool and he had the media eating from his hand.

As I said, Witter didn't care about the fight, he cared about the money he could make from Hatton.

I've always thought that anyway. I don't think he is past his prime just on that performance when he looked equally as bad against Lynes, Kotelnik and N'Dou

[donnydarkoIRL]

I'll have to admit here I never saw the Kotelnik fight.

The reason I'll say I saw him age was because of his reflexes.

Sure in any Witter fight of any year there are times where he would do nothing, but he would be defensively minded in those periods and his footwork and reflexes would keep him out of trouble allowing him to win rounds on inactivity!
Last Sat. the relexes and speed were faded and if you watch the knockdown in slow, his legs were very weighty.

[Macho]

All of this means that Witter Barked too much and didnt nothing on that fight with Bradley , right Donny?...............

[luvfightgame]

I agree. Witter did nothing in my opinion. If it wasn't for home cookin, that fight shouldn't have been close. Only way he won rounds was if they give points for hugging. He must have been sparring with John Ruiz.

[donnydarkoIRL]

All of this means that Witter Barked too much and didnt nothing on that fight with Bradley , right Donny?...............

Right Macho!

[Memphis]

Its something he does, yet another ploy to look like he's winning a fight 'look I dont have to hold on Im throwing punches' rather than actually getting on with trying to win it.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Its something he does, yet another ploy to look like he's winning a fight 'look I dont have to hold on Im throwing punches' rather than actually getting on with trying to win it.

But in this instance it was completely futile and he knew it

[Canvasback]

I agree. Witter did nothing in my opinion. If it wasn't for home cookin, that fight shouldn't have been close. Only way he won rounds was if they give points for hugging. He must have been sparring with John Ruiz.

I agree. I was worried when it took so long to get the scorecards tabulated. I figured Bradley was going to get screwed.

[donnydarkoIRL]

One point;

A Hatton/Witter fight would not have been a treat for fans.

It would have been a significant fight, but not a pleasing spectacle, so fans have lost nothing.

Kids like you have lost nothing because you don't rememeber or know the history.


You're right though Hatton-Witter would have been a mess.

But unless two fighters meet it's IMPOSSIBLE to ever know who the better man was. Obviously on accomplishments it's Hatton hands-down.. but he'll always be questioned for ducking Witter.

Kids like me live boxing every second of every day.

Kids like me get to socialise with the fighters in their environment and kids like me actually get to speak with the fighters on the subject rather than formulating unresearched opinions based on bias and persoanl emotion.

Watching Junior Witter fight the unheralded Timothy Bradley last Saturday night I noticed something which made me wonder.

When in the clinches he employed to defend himself from Bradley's aggressive forward momentum, Witter often used whatever space he had to throw hooks to the head. These hooks were not punishing blows, they would certainly not have hurt Bradley and they also seemed to ineffective to score.

Witter is a very seasoned pro, he knows how to score rounds and this tactic seemed ridiculous when viewing the fight as Bradley was obviously exerting the more force and pressure.
So, why would a knowledgable pro throw these tapping hooks on the inside?
I realise it wasn't a great fight for Witter, yet he did this continuosly despite it's ineffectiveness. Why?

Would you score a tiny, chopping/tapping hook thrown from a clinch, against an opponent throwing much harder and numerous punches

Those are more out of frustration then anything....Some guys use them on the inside to rattle a guy and deter him from being in the clence...some guys will keep hitting the same spot so after a while it becomes tender and a good place to target....Wittert though was not doing that....He just wanted to land something...anything...The whole fight was UGLY to be honest....Witter just did nothing?....I don't understand why...he could have won that fight had he moved more and just kept jabbin...hell that is the only punch he needed that night...the first 3 rounds he looked great almost as if this was going to be an education then he just fizzled out....

Those tiny hooks, I just can't understand.
I donno Daxx, I expected a little one then a big hook, but no....tap, tap, tap....i was really frustrated with his boxing.

[ono]

I'm shocked that a lot of you are suprised at how poor he was. Like you never saw him fight N'Dou, Kotelnik, Lynes or Judah. It's happened pretty much everytime he's faced anybody in the top 10.

Hatton's excuses for not fighting him were poor. But the occassion would have been a complete fraud and actually Hatton should have taken advantage of it. Let's face it, the media bought into the hype as did a lot of fans.

[DaxxKahn]

One point;

A Hatton/Witter fight would not have been a treat for fans.

It would have been a significant fight, but not a pleasing spectacle, so fans have lost nothing.

Kids like you have lost nothing because you don't rememeber or know the history.


You're right though Hatton-Witter would have been a mess.

But unless two fighters meet it's IMPOSSIBLE to ever know who the better man was. Obviously on accomplishments it's Hatton hands-down.. but he'll always be questioned for ducking Witter.

Kids like me live boxing every second of every day.

Kids like me get to socialise with the fighters in their environment and kids like me actually get to speak with the fighters on the subject rather than formulating unresearched opinions based on bias and persoanl emotion.

Watching Junior Witter fight the unheralded Timothy Bradley last Saturday night I noticed something which made me wonder.

When in the clinches he employed to defend himself from Bradley's aggressive forward momentum, Witter often used whatever space he had to throw hooks to the head. These hooks were not punishing blows, they would certainly not have hurt Bradley and they also seemed to ineffective to score.

Witter is a very seasoned pro, he knows how to score rounds and this tactic seemed ridiculous when viewing the fight as Bradley was obviously exerting the more force and pressure.
So, why would a knowledgable pro throw these tapping hooks on the inside?
I realise it wasn't a great fight for Witter, yet he did this continuosly despite it's ineffectiveness. Why?

Would you score a tiny, chopping/tapping hook thrown from a clinch, against an opponent throwing much harder and numerous punches

Those are more out of frustration then anything....Some guys use them on the inside to rattle a guy and deter him from being in the clence...some guys will keep hitting the same spot so after a while it becomes tender and a good place to target....Wittert though was not doing that....He just wanted to land something...anything...The whole fight was UGLY to be honest....Witter just did nothing?....I don't understand why...he could have won that fight had he moved more and just kept jabbin...hell that is the only punch he needed that night...the first 3 rounds he looked great almost as if this was going to be an education then he just fizzled out....

Those tiny hooks, I just can't understand.
I donno Daxx, I expected a little one then a big hook, but no....tap, tap, tap....i was really frustrated with his boxing.

Guys use that little inside shots to soften a spot up when there is a lost of holding...A place to target...during the fight....Key words there are "During the Fight"......Meaning you have to fight....Witter did not fight he just tried to soften up a spot incase he decided to