I conceed.

[OumaFan]

I wonder what John McCain thinks will happen if Obama meets with Iranian leaders? Puppies will start randomly exploding? Rabbits will start attacking people?

Its so funny to watch McCain spout the same gibberish as George Bush in foreign policy areas, George Bush!! The guy who's foreign policy is almost unanimously panned as probably the worst in American history.

And its so ridiculous cause I don't even think he believes it, nobody's that stupid. Even Bush met with "hostile" leaders, look at North Korea, Qaddaffi for fuck's sake.

Not sure what good they think comes out of not dealing diplomatically with other countries. Will Iran change their policy because we don't meet with them, because they feel slighted?

I'm not even saying diplomatic negotiations with Iran would work but its so funny to hear McCain act like the world would come to an end if we talk to them.

[El Kabong]

...well Iran would use any meeting with the US leadership for propaganda. Also we do not want to legitimize Iran's government on account of their views of Israel.

Oumafan, McCain is not going to say the same thing Obama is going to say....McCain is trying to get a different set of voters to get him into office and it's not unlikely that he will change course if he does get elected....stranger things have happened.


Von...America is NOT a democracy. Voting is democratic however America is a Constitutional Republic, we elect leaders who in turn govern the way we want to/believe we want to be governed based on the Constitution. Voting is democratic but our system is not, we're a Republic.

[OumaFan]

I know but I'm still surprised he's tying himself to Bush on matters like that. And he and Bush have done a pretty good job unifying the Democrats. Although we would have unified anyway, they just provided a jumpstart.

I actually don't think McCain's that stupid, its politics most likely, I think he'll take a more reasonable approach to foreign policy than Bush (how could you not) but I still don't agree with him.

[amat]

How does meeting with someone validate their government? That's an honest question I've never got that one.

[pacfan]

Let me intrude a bit. To me the Clintons represent the good 'ol days of America when the economy thrived driven by technology commerce and when it was in relative peace. For those who sez she's just a women - I bet the mister will be right behind her giving necessary advices as well as moral support. But well, seems like its going to be Obama.

[El Kabong]

amat, it's code for that old "The US doesn't negotiate with terrorists" thing....especially when we're not getting anything for it.



Well I will say after this war ends then our technology will once again spike up and our economy will boom like never before. War is the best thing for a floundering economy....think about the government grants for research and development of anything used in war: communication devices, computers, engines, etc.

After the war is done and when there is a little more political stability, when we understand where the new Pres (whomever it may be) is taking us, we're going to have the market come back up and the dollar will come back in value and everything will be right with the world.

The last couple of Presidents inherited recessions or stagnant economies.

[Youngblood]

Rumors starting to circulate that both camps are talking about an exit strategy for Hillary. Get on with it, I say.

If the Dems want to win this thing, they need both of these people on the ticket! Eat some crow Hillary! This thing is over for you. Join forces and start putting that fight together against Lyle...err, I mean...The Republicans.

[boozeboxer]

I would actually think the Democrats would be better off with Edwards or Biden as VP. Someone to appeal to the more conservative democrats.

[El Kabong]

Edwards Biden? Conservative?....surely you jest



If you want the "Reagan Democrats" you pick Evan Bayh....John Edwards #1 Has already run for VP AND got his ass fucking handed to him in VP debates and #2 John Edwards is ALMOST as much of a communist as Obama.

Joe Biden has a big mouth and just talks all the fucking time which wouldn't be so bad unless his words wouldn't be twisted.....God love the guy, he's one of the few Democrats I like but he's just not VP material, plus he's no spring chicken either.

Anyone hear about the fucking UN trying to investigate America for racism in this election....this is fucking bullcrap...I'm sick of the fucking UN. McCain is a good guy and running a clean campaign debating on the issues and I'm sorry but Rev. Wright is a BIG issue because of his crazy ass beliefs.....if the fucking President doesn't like and appreciate America then who the hell will?

[boozeboxer]

I meant conservative as in a white male Lyle.

[Spicoli]

Some close friends need to take Clinton aside and help her come to an understanding that the writing is on the wall.What in the hell is she doing with that reference too JFK assassination ?? She is soooo tired and worn.

[El Kabong]

....it was an RFK assasination refrence and yeah she has a fucking point....look at Huckabee, he stayed in the Republican Primary for a long time and no one other than the base of the Republican party said "Get out" and he only got out because he got his ass whipped in the primaries.....Hillary has beaten the everliving crap out of Obama in 5 of the last 7 primaries.....Obama can't seal the deal and he's going to be a colossal failure in the general election!






Why Because he and his wife are too easy to paint as "America Haters" and he's an arrogant prick and unlike most politicians he has a hard time concealing that

[Youngblood]

So what do you people think of Rupert Murdoch giving his thoughts on Obama?

News Corp chairman Rupert Murdoch praises US presidential candidate Barack Obama | Media | guardian.co.uk

Does his voice carry much weight? He is after all a friend of McCain's so they say. Isn't he a republican? He hasn't fully endorsed Obama (yet), but he didn't fall too short of it.

[OumaFan]

Would it be a bad idea to exile the Clintons to Siberia?

Lyle cares about the Democratic party about as much as they do.

[Douglas]

I haven't been reading this topic, but I heard Hilary said something that was referring to the JFK assassination. It was one of those things that after you say them, you immediatlely wish you could take it back.