State of Boxing 2008

[The Wind]

I’m not hating on Floyd Mayweather Jnr, no way! (sorry to disappoint some of you). I wouldn't say I'm a Pac Fan in the sense I'm baised, yes I do like to watch Pacquiao but my opinion I'd like to think is not biased. (I'm not a fan of Diaz just for the record)

I’m in a fortunate position where my favourite fighter/boxer is in retirement. Although when we approach a fight, as the fight draws closer I will begin to lean towards one particular fighter.

Take for example Cotto v Margarito I like both and I have followed both very closely and I respect and appreciate both equally but as the fight draws closer I’m starting to lean towards Margarito as who I would like to win. Who do I think will win? I haven’t got a clue, it’s so tight, I could make good cases for both.

My theory is that Margarito could beat Cotto and Mayweather could beat Margarito and Cotto could beat Mayweather – styles make fights!

I’m just frustrated that people are getting sucked in, I don’t want boxing to become primarily a business, (some will suggest it already was and is).It’s a sport in which you want to be the best.

Can anyone in their right mind tell me that Cotto v Mayweather Jnr is not a worthy match up? Allthough I agree in terms of which will be the better fight to watch, most certianly Cotto v Margarito is the one - I really can't wait.

I suppose out of sheer frustration I’ve gotten a little carried away with my Pound for Pound comment but I hope you can see my point. I should have been more clear, in no way do I suggest beating Diaz is a good acomplishment, it would be average. I'm kind of saying whilst Barrera and Morales are no longer in their primes or even when Pacquiao fought them, the manner in which he beat them is a greater achievement (combined) then the De La Hoya v Mayweather fight in my opinion.

Let’s say in the next 18 months - 2 years Mayweather beats De La Hoya again and then beats a Contender type of fighter and Pacquiao goes on to beat Diaz and then unify the Lightweight division does he then deserve to be top P4P or does he then need to win a Light Welter title or is that still not enough?

The main difference between these two is that one will fight anybody to prove he’s the best and the other won’t or hasn’t so far.

I appreciate the above comment is probably not a criteria when determining the P4P list, but maybe it should be, I don’t know. I guess I’m just letting of steam.

I have no doubts that Mayweather will fight Cotto and/or Margarito, who he fights first will depend on the winner, but let’s say for instance that he doesn’t fight, if not both certainly one of these two, before he retires, then Mayweather Jnr will most definitely feel the wrath of The Wind!

That’s not hating on Mayweather but simply pointing out the reality, or am I missing something?

[OumaFan]

What I was saying is that if you had Floyd number 1 right now and Pac number 2 then I don't see why that would change if Floyd beats ODLH and Pac beats Diaz cause beating ODLH is clearly a much greater accomplishment than Pac beating Diaz.

Whether you think Pac should be number one right now just based on overall achievements is up to you, I wouldn't agree but that's up to you.

[HattonTheHammer]

Khan-pacman will never happen for so many different reasons

the time scale being most important of all.

By the time amir establishes himself as a world beating lightweight, pac will be down the home straight of his career fighting the potential superfights like hatton, casamayor, diaz.

As for the whole de la hoya bashing, cotto loving theme.

Its been said on here 99,000 times and im actually beggining to feel a bit sorry for poor old fishnets!!

[boozeboxer]

Khan-pacman will never happen for so many different reasons

the time scale being most important of all.

By the time amir establishes himself as a world beating lightweight, pac will be down the home straight of his career fighting the potential superfights like hatton, casamayor, diaz.

As for the whole de la hoya bashing, cotto loving theme.

Its been said on here 99,000 times and im actually beggining to feel a bit sorry for poor old fishnets!!

Khan-Pac won't happen because the death penalty is not used in the UK.

[The Wind]

I never made a big deal about this fight, I just watched on the sidelines while I read and heard various posts.

So when Pacquiao beat Diaz 'very convicingly' I just thought now I'm sure Pacquiao is the BEST Pound 4 Pound fighter at the moment, INCLUDING Mayweather.

I love hearing some saying how Diaz is not a big challenge and even how some said Daiz is gonna give Manny sone real problems.

All I say is Manny Pacquiao done the Job!

He was real good the best in the world at the moment.

[OumaFan]

I never made a big deal about this fight, I just watched on the sidelines while I read and heard various posts.

So when Pacquiao beat Diaz 'very convicingly' I just thought now I'm sure Pacquiao is the BEST Pound 4 Pound fighter at the moment, INCLUDING Mayweather.

I love hearing some saying how Diaz is not a big challenge and even how some said Daiz is gonna give Manny sone real problems.

All I say is Manny Pacquiao done the Job!

He was real good the best in the world at the moment.

LOL, he wasn't a big challenge, I said that months ago on this thread and it was a brutal mismatch. Pac doesn't need to dominate a guy like Diaz to show his greatness.

[Pavlik]

I never made a big deal about this fight, I just watched on the sidelines while I read and heard various posts.

So when Pacquiao beat Diaz 'very convicingly' I just thought now I'm sure Pacquiao is the BEST Pound 4 Pound fighter at the moment, INCLUDING Mayweather.

I love hearing some saying how Diaz is not a big challenge and even how some said Daiz is gonna give Manny sone real problems.

All I say is Manny Pacquiao done the Job!

He was real good the best in the world at the moment.

LOL, he wasn't a big challenge, I said that months ago on this thread and it was a brutal mismatch. Pac doesn't need to dominate a guy like Diaz to show his greatness.

It wasnt as big as fighting a JMM but it was a feat by itself by knocking a guy like David Diaz out cold. David Diaz was stopped by Kendall Holt but not in this fashion and IMO it was a premature stoppage(Holt fight) so technically David Diaz was never really knocked out.

[Markusdarkus]

If Pacquaio cleans out 135 or beats Hatton then his career would dwarf what Floyd has done.

[DaxxKahn]

I can agree with some of those points, EG I do not think PBF is the P4P best fighter this sport has to offer right now.

On a P4P basis I wouls pick Manny Pacquiao over Floyd if both fought in the same weight class (hence the P4P basis comment because it is just not a fight that is possible to be fair on a size differential alone)

I also agree on the wins over DLH and Hatton not being that much of an accomplishment considering the stage of DLH career and Hatton having as much defensive skill as Ricky Ricardo has business being an English teacher...