The LINEAL welterweight championship

[HattonTheHammer]

floyd for me

he beat the man who beat the man

deserves to be recognised as the true champ

[CutMeMick]

Spinks > Judah > Baldomir > PBF.....

[Galaxy]

The answer is not simply to recognize a different guy as the champion. To do so would be to invite chaos, which is precisely what we have today.


Just because you think Cotto should be champ doesn't automatically make him one!

Championships should be won & lost in the ring, its as simple as that & if you don't agree with that your part of the problem with the game today.

Ali was recognize by the Ring the whole time he was on his forced hiatus up until he announced his retirement then Frazier won the vacant championship.

Now Floyd hasn't been inactive as long as nearly 4 years & he is scheduled to fight in September. Some champions only defended their championships a few times in many years but they were always considered the champ!

[Tito BHB]

The answer is not simply to recognize a different guy as the champion. To do so would be to invite chaos, which is precisely what we have today.


Just because you think Cotto should be champ doesn't automatically make him one!

Championships should be won & lost in the ring, its as simple as that & if you don't agree with that your part of the problem with the game today.

Ali was recognize by the Ring the whole time he was on his forced hiatus up until he announced his retirement then Frazier won the vacant championship.

Now Floyd hasn't been inactive as long as nearly 4 years & he is scheduled to fight in September. Some champions only defended their championships a few times in many years but they were always considered the champ!

Nobody said because i believe it to be so.. That makes it so..

And the whole thread is me expressing opinion..

The thing is championships are won and lost in the ring.. and thats why i ask COULD it be that the lineal champion could be surpassed..

So tell me it is enough for the man of the division to fight once a year..

Ricky was a superfight.. The reason we wanted to see it.. Because hes a great guy and a nicer guy couldnt be given the opportunity to beat the p4p best.. that fight really wasnt about the lineal welterweight title..it was about money and p4p contention..But as much as i like ricky he couldnt be seriously ranked as a genuine welterweight contender..

the oscar fight was at 154.. Even if the next oscar fight is at 147 (Which might i add is not signed.. and isnt official.. its just highly probable, the money is there and the fighters have an agreement.. not a contract..)
But who would rank oscar as a top ten welterweight as of right now.. Nobody..

What im saying is there is a true welterweight.. hes at welterweight..
the welterweight division is the least alphabet of all the divisions.. every champion has theyr claim to call themselves a champion, not just a titlist..

And of all the champions i believe miguel cotto is the most legit.. hes keeping busy, signing the right fights.. im not saying he has surpassed floyd..

Im just saying it could be that the winner of cotto - margarito will be seen as more of a lineal champion then floyd himself

[Tito BHB]

And in all fairness..

It also comes down to the wbc letting who they please keep titles for the best interest of theyre organisation..

They did it when oscar won the junior middleweight title off mayorga..

they did it from when floyd took the welter title from baldo.. and then didnt defend it until he fought hatton..

because he pays the fee's.. They have the p4p number one with theyr title.. Hes had a wbc title in each class hes been in.. and they are making more money out of letting him fight one superfight a year..

[Galaxy]

The answer is not simply to recognize a different guy as the champion. To do so would be to invite chaos, which is precisely what we have today.


Just because you think Cotto should be champ doesn't automatically make him one!

Championships should be won & lost in the ring, its as simple as that & if you don't agree with that your part of the problem with the game today.

Ali was recognize by the Ring the whole time he was on his forced hiatus up until he announced his retirement then Frazier won the vacant championship.

Now Floyd hasn't been inactive as long as nearly 4 years & he is scheduled to fight in September. Some champions only defended their championships a few times in many years but they were always considered the champ!

Nobody said because i believe it to be so.. That makes it so..

And the whole thread is me expressing opinion..

The thing is championships are won and lost in the ring.. and thats why i ask COULD it be that the lineal champion could be surpassed..

So tell me it is enough for the man of the division to fight once a year..

Ricky was a superfight.. The reason we wanted to see it.. Because hes a great guy and a nicer guy couldnt be given the opportunity to beat the p4p best.. that fight really wasnt about the lineal welterweight title..it was about money and p4p contention..But as much as i like ricky he couldnt be seriously ranked as a genuine welterweight contender..

the oscar fight was at 154.. Even if the next oscar fight is at 147 (Which might i add is not signed.. and isnt official.. its just highly probable, the money is there and the fighters have an agreement.. not a contract..)
But who would rank oscar as a top ten welterweight as of right now.. Nobody..

What im saying is there is a true welterweight.. hes at welterweight..
the welterweight division is the least alphabet of all the divisions.. every champion has theyr claim to call themselves a champion, not just a titlist..

And of all the champions i believe miguel cotto is the most legit.. hes keeping busy, signing the right fights.. im not saying he has surpassed floyd..

Im just saying it could be that the winner of cotto - margarito will be seen as more of a lineal champion then floyd himself

I agree with you that Cotto is the best challenger for Mayweather, but until that fight happens or Floyd vacates the championship Cotto will be the #1 contender.

The fight between Cotto & Margarito as great as it is will only create a true challenger & #1 contender for Mayweather. Until Floyd loses @ 147, retires or vacates the championship he will remain the division champion.

I understand your frustrations & opinions by why try to complicate things? Until you beat the man your not the man!

[killersheep]

The answer is not simply to recognize a different guy as the champion. To do so would be to invite chaos, which is precisely what we have today.


Just because you think Cotto should be champ doesn't automatically make him one!

Championships should be won & lost in the ring, its as simple as that & if you don't agree with that your part of the problem with the game today.

Ali was recognize by the Ring the whole time he was on his forced hiatus up until he announced his retirement then Frazier won the vacant championship.

Now Floyd hasn't been inactive as long as nearly 4 years & he is scheduled to fight in September. Some champions only defended their championships a few times in many years but they were always considered the champ!

Nobody said because i believe it to be so.. That makes it so..

And the whole thread is me expressing opinion..

The thing is championships are won and lost in the ring.. and thats why i ask COULD it be that the lineal champion could be surpassed..

So tell me it is enough for the man of the division to fight once a year..

Ricky was a superfight.. The reason we wanted to see it.. Because hes a great guy and a nicer guy couldnt be given the opportunity to beat the p4p best.. that fight really wasnt about the lineal welterweight title..it was about money and p4p contention..But as much as i like ricky he couldnt be seriously ranked as a genuine welterweight contender..

the oscar fight was at 154.. Even if the next oscar fight is at 147 (Which might i add is not signed.. and isnt official.. its just highly probable, the money is there and the fighters have an agreement.. not a contract..)
But who would rank oscar as a top ten welterweight as of right now.. Nobody..

What im saying is there is a true welterweight.. hes at welterweight..
the welterweight division is the least alphabet of all the divisions.. every champion has theyr claim to call themselves a champion, not just a titlist..

And of all the champions i believe miguel cotto is the most legit.. hes keeping busy, signing the right fights.. im not saying he has surpassed floyd..

Im just saying it could be that the winner of cotto - margarito will be seen as more of a lineal champion then floyd himself

I agree with you that Cotto is the best challenger for Mayweather, but until that fight happens or Floyd vacates the championship Cotto will be the #1 contender.

The fight between Cotto & Margarito as great as it is will only create a true challenger & #1 contender for Mayweather. Until Floyd loses @ 147, retires or vacates the championship he will remain the division champion.

I understand your frustrations & opinions by why try to complicate things? Until you beat the man your not the man!

The question is, how long do we consider him champ? If Mayweather fights unrated welterweights, how can you justify him keeping his belt?
The last time he fought someone that was RATED as a welterweight was Baldomir I think that was almost 2 years ago.

[Galaxy]

Nobody said because i believe it to be so.. That makes it so..

And the whole thread is me expressing opinion..

The thing is championships are won and lost in the ring.. and thats why i ask COULD it be that the lineal champion could be surpassed..

So tell me it is enough for the man of the division to fight once a year..

Ricky was a superfight.. The reason we wanted to see it.. Because hes a great guy and a nicer guy couldnt be given the opportunity to beat the p4p best.. that fight really wasnt about the lineal welterweight title..it was about money and p4p contention..But as much as i like ricky he couldnt be seriously ranked as a genuine welterweight contender..

the oscar fight was at 154.. Even if the next oscar fight is at 147 (Which might i add is not signed.. and isnt official.. its just highly probable, the money is there and the fighters have an agreement.. not a contract..)
But who would rank oscar as a top ten welterweight as of right now.. Nobody..

What im saying is there is a true welterweight.. hes at welterweight..
the welterweight division is the least alphabet of all the divisions.. every champion has theyr claim to call themselves a champion, not just a titlist..

And of all the champions i believe miguel cotto is the most legit.. hes keeping busy, signing the right fights.. im not saying he has surpassed floyd..

Im just saying it could be that the winner of cotto - margarito will be seen as more of a lineal champion then floyd himself

I agree with you that Cotto is the best challenger for Mayweather, but until that fight happens or Floyd vacates the championship Cotto will be the #1 contender.

The fight between Cotto & Margarito as great as it is will only create a true challenger & #1 contender for Mayweather. Until Floyd loses @ 147, retires or vacates the championship he will remain the division champion.

I understand your frustrations & opinions by why try to complicate things? Until you beat the man your not the man!

The question is, how long do we consider him champ? If Mayweather fights unrated welterweights, how can you justify him keeping his belt?
The last time he fought someone that was RATED as a welterweight was Baldomir I think that was almost 2 years ago.

He last fight was a defense of his championship against the 140 pound champion. Before that he fought a future HOF'r, next the same HOF'r. It's not as if he's inactive or fighting unranked fighters. Those last 3 fighters were all against ranked fighters.

I agree that he should be facing Cotto next instead of DLH but the 1st fight was the biggest money earner ever. Hatton followed in another big attraction. Say what you want but those 2 fights alone did more to bring boxing back to the mainstream than any other fights in the last few years.

Floyd did the right thing with the 135 pound championship, he relinquished it to move up so Castillo & Lazcano could fight for the vacant title. I have no reason he wouldn't do the same in this case.

When Paulie Ayala won the vacant Ring championship @ 122 against Bones Adams he never defended it in about 3 years & fought his last 3 fights @ 126, so give Floyd a break he just defended in his last fight.