New Ring P4P Ranking: Hatton Out, Mijares In

[HattonTheHammer]

[weak Rant]I have said in here before what i think of those P4P lists. They are all crap and based on opinion only. They are all to be taken with a grain of salt. I don't like the idea of guys getting in there and then sitting on it and doing nothing. Many who should be in there get ignored for not being popular. To me the fighters that matter are active and are making things happen in the sport. If anyone was going to create a list I think Pac should be at the top. He has been high profile for years fighting big fights and taking real challenges. He is consistent.

/weak rant


On another note though, to me Mijares comes across as a great fighter and is definitely one of the more talented ones with a bright future. When I watched him against Munoz, he was pure craft in there.

Another favorite right now has to be Jorge Linares. The guy is as smooth as silk in the ring. Artistry in motion.

calzaghe, mayweather and cotto have all never been made to look second best the way pac has on certain occasions.

If you ask me that naturally makes them 3 ahead of the rest, mannys been put to work against JMM and actually beaten by a couple of complete unknowners.


PS:Completely agree about linares, the guy is gonna dominate a year or two from now!!

[Youngblood]

I haven't read any posts in this thread, just seen the title. But let me make a guess.

Bilbo has been in here crying and kicking and screaming foul. Prob. even called someone a goat loving devil worshipper cuz he saw Mijares made top 10 P4P.

So before I go looking through the posts, how close was I?

[brucelee]

I haven't read any posts in this thread, just seen the title. But let me make a guess.

Bilbo has been in here crying and kicking and screaming foul. Prob. even called someone a goat loving devil worshipper cuz he saw Mijares made top 10 P4P.

So before I go looking through the posts, how close was I?

you're very close except for the devil worshipper

[CFH]

[weak Rant]I have said in here before what i think of those P4P lists. They are all crap and based on opinion only. They are all to be taken with a grain of salt. I don't like the idea of guys getting in there and then sitting on it and doing nothing. Many who should be in there get ignored for not being popular. To me the fighters that matter are active and are making things happen in the sport. If anyone was going to create a list I think Pac should be at the top. He has been high profile for years fighting big fights and taking real challenges. He is consistent.

/weak rant


On another note though, to me Mijares comes across as a great fighter and is definitely one of the more talented ones with a bright future. When I watched him against Munoz, he was pure craft in there.

Another favorite right now has to be Jorge Linares. The guy is as smooth as silk in the ring. Artistry in motion.

calzaghe, mayweather and cotto have all never been made to look second best the way pac has on certain occasions.

If you ask me that naturally makes them 3 ahead of the rest, mannys been put to work against JMM and actually beaten by a couple of complete unknowners.


PS:Completely agree about linares, the guy is gonna dominate a year or two from now!!

Calzaghe may be undefeated, but the caliber of opposition faced by Pac is far superior to that faced by JC. The fact that he has come up short a few times against that level of competition does not mean the Pac is P4P a worse fighter than Calzaghe. Calzaghe was also made to look pretty bad when he fought B-Hop and he could have easily lost that fight.

[boozeboxer]

CFH: Really at no time did I think Clazaghe looked bad fighting Hopkins......esp. considering it was Hopkins. I thought it was a pretty one-sided affair, with Hopkins leading in with his head and generally being outworked.

[Bomp]

Though it's lost its relevance a couple of pages back, Mijares Munoz was shown live on the fight network in the UK, I think it's a Canadian channel. Number 427 on the sky box.

List seems OK, definite an argument to stick Calderon in there somewhere. I think Hopkins is so high since his fight with Joe was so close, hard to drop him to the lower end of the top 20 after SD with one in the top 3.

[CFH]

CFH: Really at no time did I think Clazaghe looked bad fighting Hopkins......esp. considering it was Hopkins. I thought it was a pretty one-sided affair, with Hopkins leading in with his head and generally being outworked.

I disagree. I had Hopkins up 4 or 5 rounds to 1 at one point. Calzaghe looked ineffective throughout most of the fight, and he only won because Hopkins gassed out. If it had been a younger version of Hopkins he would've won IMO.

[:::PSL:::]

CFH: Really at no time did I think Clazaghe looked bad fighting Hopkins......esp. considering it was Hopkins. I thought it was a pretty one-sided affair, with Hopkins leading in with his head and generally being outworked.

I disagree. I had Hopkins up 4 or 5 rounds to 1 at one point. Calzaghe looked ineffective throughout most of the fight, and he only won becauseHopkins gassed out. If it had been a younger version of Hopkins he would've won IMO.

Also, most judges favor fighters who are aggressive.

[Taeth]

CFH: Really at no time did I think Clazaghe looked bad fighting Hopkins......esp. considering it was Hopkins. I thought it was a pretty one-sided affair, with Hopkins leading in with his head and generally being outworked.

I disagree. I had Hopkins up 4 or 5 rounds to 1 at one point. Calzaghe looked ineffective throughout most of the fight, and he only won becauseHopkins gassed out. If it had been a younger version of Hopkins he would've won IMO.

Also, most judges favor fighters who are aggressive.

Then most judges are dumb and don't know the sport. Its who lands the more effective punches that is supposed to the first and most important criteria. After that ring generalship, defense, etc come into play. I felt Bernard was doing more his thing than Calzaghe was able to do his thing.

[boozeboxer]

B-Hop lost pretty easily i thought when I went back and watched the fight a couple times. Whether or not Calzaghe won because he gassed out or not I don't think really is that relevant. Calzaghe took most of the rounds and won the fight. I really fail to see how someone could have scored this fight for Hopkins.
B-Hop won a pretty close fight to Winky, while Winky was fighting way up in weight and neither looked particularly impressive. Also B-Hops ring tactics were completely AWFUL in this fight. Why would you keep warning a guy 20 times about leading in with his head if you aren't going to take a point away?? Stupid. However, that was still an impressive win.

A win against Tarver was good. And he was robbed once against Taylor but two losses there appear on his record from that.

All in all I would have Hopkins lower in the top 10. That is all.



I can't help but think that B-Hop being like 150 and working for GB has something to do with him being pretty high. One last payday.