To Me IF Floyd is Retired Joe Calzaghe is PFP#1

[JT Rock]

Undefeated

11 year reigning champion

Lineal Universally recognized Undisputed SuperMiddleweight Champion

Lineal Universally recognized Undisputed Light Heavyweight Champion

2nd best SuperMiddleweight of All Time

To me dwarfs anything Pac has done.....

Calzaghe PFP#1

[TitoFan]

To me, Pacquiao has defeated the better p4p fighters. But that's just my opinion. Calzaghe's best opponents, IMO, are Jeff Lacy and Kessler. His slim margin victory over an over-the-hill Hopkins doesn't hold much water with me.

[leftylee]

JT I really don't wanna get into a massive debate but although you won't like me saying this (Especially regarding Jeff Lacy) he shouldn't be p4p number 1. He fought a past his prime Chris Eubank with Eubank taking 2 weeks notice, he was lucky to get the verdict against Reid. Fought a host of bums i.e. Manfredo (Sorry POB), Salem, Sheika etc (Hence why he has an undefeated record). An overhyped one-dimensional Jeff Lacy who really isn't what the Media suggested. And controversially beating a 43 yr old grandad in Bernard Hopkins on a SD while getting floored in the process. The only worthy name I give him is Kessler (Who he beat in his own backyard). Pacquiao has beaten 3 greats in Morales, Barrera and Marquez. Those 3 names are much bigger than anything on Calzaghe's record. If Pacquiao beats Diaz WITHOUT DOUBT he is bigger that JC but ATM he is still higher than JC IMO.

PS: I ain't a Calzaghe hater BTW but no way should he be number 1.

[CFH]

For me it has to be Pacquiao. He's fought, and beat, a better level of competition over a longer period of time and he's been willing to leave his country to do it. It's not even close IMO.

[leftylee]

For me it has to be Pacquiao. He's fought, and beat, a better level of competition over a longer period of time and he's been willing to leave his country to do it. It's not even close IMO.

I couldn't agree more, have some rep.

[killersheep]

Now that Floyd is retired the p4p title is vacant and there must be a fight between PAC and Calzaghe to determine the new champ.

I kid I kid.

PAC is still rightfully above Calzaghe, Pac has won titles in more weightclasses and against the better competition. Also does this mean that the winner of Margarito / Cotto will be the #1 WW?

[JT Rock]

JT I really don't wanna get into a massive debate but although you won't like me saying this (Especially regarding Jeff Lacy) he shouldn't be p4p number 1. He fought a past his prime Chris Eubank with Eubank taking 2 weeks notice, he was lucky to get the verdict against Reid. Fought a host of bums i.e. Manfredo (Sorry POB), Salem, Sheika etc (Hence why he has an undefeated record). An overhyped one-dimensional Jeff Lacy who really isn't what the Media suggested. And controversially beating a 43 yr old grandad in Bernard Hopkins on a SD while getting floored in the process. The only worthy name I give him is Kessler (Who he beat in his own backyard). Pacquiao has beaten 3 greats in Morales, Barrera and Marquez. Those 3 names are much bigger than anything on Calzaghe's record. If Pacquiao beats Diaz WITHOUT DOUBT he is bigger that JC but ATM he is still higher than JC IMO.

PS: I ain't a Calzaghe hater BTW but no way should he be number 1.

Pac beat Barrera when he had an abbreviated camp and the 2nd fight Marco was shell of himself and a faded Morales 2x.. He was consistently getting beat to the punch by JMM in there 1st fight after the Knockdowns and in there 2nd fight he got a decision that was more questionable than the Hopkins/ Calzaghe fight.

So as much as I liked Lennox but similiar to Pac, his wins against Holyfield and Tyson mean little to me because both guys were both shot to pieces... Just great names

[TitoFan]

So far it's 3-1 for Pacquiao. Be interesting to make a poll out of it.

[leftylee]

Calzaghe is promoted by Sports Network, that says it all. They badly overhype there fighters and the majority of the time put them in with fighters there certain to beat, look at Khan's, Mitchell's, Maccarinelli (Excluding Haye), Smith's record etc

[TitoFan]

4-1

;d

[JT Rock]

Again he is undefeated and Lineal undisputed champion of 2 divisions, with no one close to making a claim in either division.... as lwell as being a champ since you been 5 Lefty

[leftylee]

Again he is undefeated and Lineal undisputed champion of 2 divisions, with no one close to making a claim in either division.... as lwell as being a champ since you been 5 Lefty

I knew age would come into this

Undefeated maybe, but he has fought ONE serious threat, Kessler. Beating Mikkel Kessler doesn't make you number 1 P4P.

[leftylee]

4-1

;d

See JT, your the only one Calzaghe thinks should be higher

[SE7EN]

To me ...

Pac is the number 1 P4P.. Pac already jumped 7 Divisions where he started.. He became the Linear Champ at 112,126 and 130..

He is a 4 Division Champ and going to become a 5 Division Champ this month

WBC 112 Champ
IBF 122 Champ
Ring 126 Champ
WBC 130 Champ
and WBC 135 Champ (in about 3 weeks from now )

He knock Morales out twice and he knock Barrera in 2003.. KNOCKOUT!.. Pac beat Marquez although it was close, Pac Knock down Marquez 4 times!

Joe Beat Kessler (Decision not a blowout)
He beat a 43 year old Hopkins by a SPLIT DECISION Only.. Which a lot of Press in the Frontrow had Hopkins winning.. Not only that JOE GOT KNOCKDOWN by a 44 year old man.. Pac is rated number 2 by the Ring and majority of all the people.. Joe was kept and hide in his country to keep his record perfect..

Plus!... He just slaps as seen here...



Lucky B-hop was receiving a relaxing massage from Joe.


















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[JT Rock]

Again he is undefeated and Lineal undisputed champion of 2 divisions, with no one close to making a claim in either division.... as lwell as being a champ since you been 5 Lefty

I knew age would come into this

Undefeated maybe, but he has fought ONE serious threat, Kessler. Beating Mikkel Kessler doesn't make you number 1 P4P.

I wasnt goofing your age I was helping you appreciate his longevity... Again Joe has had a great career... The Lacy Talk is all your opinion, Lacy was recognized #2 SM in the world regardless of Hype... Calzaghe has beaten everybody that was put in front of him, not to mention most were picking Hopkins over Calzaghe, so its easy to throw the age of Hopkins into it but he beat him and took his goods... Again everyone likes to kiss Pacs ass but no one brings to the equation how Shopworn Morales and Barrera were..

How many Prime superstars has Pac fault, besides JMM the 1st time in which he squeaked a BS draw?