Calzaghe - Pavlik on 18th Oct

[Dark Lord Al]

I hope it doesnt happen and Pavlik stays at MW.

[Repo]

im from uk and i want pavlik to ko him, IMO calzaghe dont deserve to retire undefeated he simply hasnt done enough to go down as a all time great, only decent win was kessler, lacy was crap, hopkins was past it and he only just got that decision anyway.

dont really care who wins tbh, calazghe has done to little to late.

[southakron314]

I hope it does happen at SMW. This will allow Pavlik to hold belts in three weight simutanously. The first time since Herny Armstrong did it at the lighter weights. I hope Pavlik knocks him out.

[hitmanhatton]

three weights ? 160, 168 whats the third ?

[southakron314]

three weights ? 160, 168 whats the third ?

175. The fight is at super middle he would grab both if calzaghe comes in at 169 he would only win the 175.

[hitmanhatton]

surely not ?? you can win titles in two different weight divisons in one fight

[Memphis]

Only if your Sugar Ray Leonard

[Lance Uppercut]

surely not ?? you can win titles in two different weight divisons in one fight

definitely, if you are under the prescribed weight. And were not talking alphabet trinkets, which I am sure have a rule against it, were talking about the real world championships/The Ring.

[BIG H]

im from uk and i want pavlik to ko him, IMO calzaghe dont deserve to retire undefeated he simply hasnt done enough to go down as a all time great, only decent win was kessler, lacy was crap, hopkins was past it and he only just got that decision anyway.

dont really care who wins tbh, calazghe has done to little to late.

Was Lacy 'crap' before Calzaghe beat him?? I'm sure you were saying he was right?? like all the hindsight clowns on here that thought Lacy would smoke his boots

[Repo]

im from uk and i want pavlik to ko him, IMO calzaghe dont deserve to retire undefeated he simply hasnt done enough to go down as a all time great, only decent win was kessler, lacy was crap, hopkins was past it and he only just got that decision anyway.

dont really care who wins tbh, calazghe has done to little to late.

Was Lacy 'crap' before Calzaghe beat him?? I'm sure you were saying he was right?? like all the hindsight clowns on here that thought Lacy would smoke his boots

but he was crap, he was overrated, just like he was crap vs manfredo.

hope calzghe gets knocked the fk out.

[BIG H]

im from uk and i want pavlik to ko him, IMO calzaghe dont deserve to retire undefeated he simply hasnt done enough to go down as a all time great, only decent win was kessler, lacy was crap, hopkins was past it and he only just got that decision anyway.

dont really care who wins tbh, calazghe has done to little to late.

Was Lacy 'crap' before Calzaghe beat him?? I'm sure you were saying he was right?? like all the hindsight clowns on here that thought Lacy would smoke his boots

but he was crap, he was overrated, just like he was crap vs manfredo.

hope calzghe gets knocked the fk out.

I said was he 'crap before Calzaghe? Manfredo was after Calzaghe had battered the guy for 36 minutes!! Lacy was not crap as an awesome amateur (record = 209 -12) was not crap destroying all that went before Calzaghe and being called the Middleweight Mike Tyson (even if he was @ 168). He was good enough to be plastered all over Superbowl as the next superstar of world boxing - hindsight is a wonderful thing. Do you really think Lacy was 'crap' before he fought Calzaghe??

Every fukka bar about 10 of us on here called Lacy to destroy Cazlaghe, but yet everybody now says he was sh1te - funny that!

[BIG H]

..For the record he is 'crap' now

[Kev]

im from uk and i want pavlik to ko him, IMO calzaghe dont deserve to retire undefeated he simply hasnt done enough to go down as a all time great, only decent win was kessler, lacy was crap, hopkins was past it and he only just got that decision anyway.

dont really care who wins tbh, calazghe has done to little to late.

So you don't think that if Calzaghe beat Pavlik he would have done enough?

Seriously if he beat Pavlik then without question he's beaten the two best middleweights and the two best super middleweights he could possibly have faced, ok they came late in his career but Hagler didn't get the big fights until well past 30 so by your logic he's crap too?

In fact do yourself a favour and go look at Hagler's record and tell me all the hall of famers he beat up on before he face Duran, a career lightweight at around 30 years of age?

I'm not knocking Hagler, he was an all time great for sure but if Calzaghe beat Pavlik his record isn't all that far off.

Unlike Hagler he would have remained undefeated. All of his biggest wins would have been against opponents in their legitimate weight classes, and in the case of Lacy, Kessler and Pavlik fighters in their absolute primes.

Hopkins is a tricky fighter at any age and to beat him at 45 was still a better achievement than losing a close fight to a post retired Sugar Ray Leonard who had never fought above light middleweight at that time and had not fought at all for 3 years.

If he beat Pavlik that would certainly be comparable to beating John Mugabe in my opinion both unbeaten, both huge KO punchers.

Personally I think beating a prime Mikkel Kessler who like Lacy was a legitimate super middlweight compares well to beating a former lightweight in Roberto Duran who was coming off losses to Kirkland Laing and Wilfred Benitez and like Leonard had never even fought at middleweight before.

So we are left with Thomas Hearns another great fighter who Hagler beat in a brutal slugfest, a fight which is largely responsible for his subsequent status as the greatest middleweight of recent times. Hearns, just like Leonard and Duran had never even fought at middleweight before challenging Hagler.

So you see careful analysis shows Calzaghes unbeaten record stands up well compared to even the best of the best, and a win over Kelly Pavlik would justifiably see him in my opinion as not only the new p4p number 1 in the sport in light of Floyd's retirement, but also he would have to be considered as p4p one of the top 20 or 30 of all time imo.

[Phil]

Not sure if I want this fight to happen, I like both fighters and wouldn't want to see either one lose, that been said I think JC would probably win by UD.

[KKisser]

I hope it doesnt happen and Pavlik stays at MW.

whatthe?! i've been wanting to see this fight.