Calzaghe - Pavlik on 18th Oct

[Pavlik]

I agree, I also love the fact that Calzaghe's record is "padded", but Pavlik is "Godzilla". Seriously, who the fuck has Pavlik fought who is better than Kessler or Hopkins? Aside from Taylor and a weight-drained Miranda, he's fought nobody of any real significance and his record is as padded as anyones.

Taylor beat Hopkins twice though close and controversial on the other hand Kelly's performance against taylor was light years better than that of Hopkins vs Taylor. Miranda weight drained, he was dropped from a CONCUSSIVE shot not from sheer exhaustion.
Joe beating an older version of Hopkins via close decision, beating a Lacy who'm afterwards was winning via decisions against B level fighters. Kessler who hasnt fought any great American middleweight or super middleweight.
To Joe's credit he is undefeated for so long but for such a short time in Pavlik's career his accomplishments is almost as great as that of Joe.

In regards to the differences in the Hopkins-Taylor and Taylor-Pavlik fights, styles make fights. It doesn't matter how Pavlik beat Taylor, if we want to go down that road, Pavlik was almost stopped by Taylor, Hopkins was never in any danger of being dropped, let alone stopped, against Taylor.

Calzaghe fought the best American SMW at the time in Lacy, a guy the majority of people were picking to win, and embarrassed him with one of the most one-sided beat downs I have ever seen. He then goes on to beat Kessler, who was clearly the #2 man in the division. And what does being American have to do with anything? A good fighter is a good fighter, regardless of nationality. Who's the best current U.S. SMW, Green? Taylor? Lacy? Mundine was better than any US SMW at the time Kessler beat him. How would Kessler beating an American SMW increase his status any? Because they're American? Fuck off with that nationalistic bullshit.

How would Kessler beating an American SMW increase his status any? Because they're American? Fuck off with that nationalistic bullshit.

I apologize on this one, I didnt mean it that way. IMO The best middleweights and SMW at the time is toggling between Jermain Taylor, Ronald Winky Wright and Bernard Hopkins well at least Middleweight. Then again I apologize.

[CFH]

Taylor beat Hopkins twice though close and controversial on the other hand Kelly's performance against taylor was light years better than that of Hopkins vs Taylor. Miranda weight drained, he was dropped from a CONCUSSIVE shot not from sheer exhaustion.
Joe beating an older version of Hopkins via close decision, beating a Lacy who'm afterwards was winning via decisions against B level fighters. Kessler who hasnt fought any great American middleweight or super middleweight.
To Joe's credit he is undefeated for so long but for such a short time in Pavlik's career his accomplishments is almost as great as that of Joe.

In regards to the differences in the Hopkins-Taylor and Taylor-Pavlik fights, styles make fights. It doesn't matter how Pavlik beat Taylor, if we want to go down that road, Pavlik was almost stopped by Taylor, Hopkins was never in any danger of being dropped, let alone stopped, against Taylor.

Calzaghe fought the best American SMW at the time in Lacy, a guy the majority of people were picking to win, and embarrassed him with one of the most one-sided beat downs I have ever seen. He then goes on to beat Kessler, who was clearly the #2 man in the division. And what does being American have to do with anything? A good fighter is a good fighter, regardless of nationality. Who's the best current U.S. SMW, Green? Taylor? Lacy? Mundine was better than any US SMW at the time Kessler beat him. How would Kessler beating an American SMW increase his status any? Because they're American? Fuck off with that nationalistic bullshit.

How would Kessler beating an American SMW increase his status any? Because they're American? Fuck off with that nationalistic bullshit.

I apologize on this one, I didnt mean it that way. IMO The best middleweights and SMW at the time is toggling between Jermain Taylor and Bernard Hopkins well at least Middleweight. Then again I apologize.

Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion.