Calzaghe says Jones his last fight

[Trainer Monkey]

You know,I had gained a measure of respect for Joe after the Kessler fight,even if Kessler was hurt.Joe did take the fight. I was willing to make allowances for the big payday for him to fight a 43 year old Hopkins. But dodging Pavlik to fight Roy So Far Over The Hill He Cant See It Anymore Jr is bs.
Especially after he said last year that he had no interest in fighting Jones anymore

[sonny78]

I find people going on about Joe ducking fights ridiculous.

He has had a pretty safe carrer and only stepped it up at the end Warren could be blamed here as well

Joe is at the end of his career in his recent fights he has taken on the fights people wanted to see, how long can you keep taking on the new hottest contender, he has made no secret that he want to retire soon and in his last few fights he has taken on the dangerous young fighters (lacy and Kessler) and taken out the old guard. (Hopkins and hopefully Roy Jones) not a bad end to a career, but oh no there is a new young gun on the horizon two weight divisions lower who if he doesn't fight he is a "chicken shit turd" who's not worth shit!!

My point is at the end of a fighters career who has has fought as well as Joe has, he has taken risks and achieved more than most, I don't mind if he finishs off that career with a big fight that he wants he shouldnt have to take on every young gun on the scene till he gets beat, he has earned it and has to retire some time

Idiots will always jump on a new bandwagon and say such and such a fighter is washed up because it makes them look more like a hardcore boxing fan but in truth Joe will go down as great British figher and shouldn't be accused of ducking anyone

[Youngblood]

It always bothers me a bit, when people try to stack their arguements by saying or suggesting they are hardcore fans and new pêople are just bandwagon jumping. It isn`t really much of an arguement. All it tells really is that you have a long standing bias. You may have good knowledge, but don`t discount the ability to learn. It couldn`t hurt to try to look at a new and fresh approach and perspective. New people have looked at the old if they are worth their salt, used that info - to formulate opinions, often without bias.

[sonny78]

It always bothers me a bit, when people try to stack their arguements by saying or suggesting they are hardcore fans and new pêople are just bandwagon jumping. It isn`t really much of an arguement. All it tells really is that you have a long standing bias. You may have good knowledge, but don`t discount the ability to learn. It couldn`t hurt to try to look at a new and fresh approach and perspective. New people have looked at the old if they are worth their salt, used that info - to formulate opinions, often without bias.

Sorry I may not have been clear I tend to go on a bit, I did not mean new people are bandwagon jumping and I never claimed to be a hardcore fan My problem is when boxers get to the top of there game and the end of there career everyone seems to line up to try and shoot them down and say if he doesn't fight this young kid then his whole career is for shit, there is always an new young kid first it was Lacy then Kessler now Pavlik and if he beat Kelly then people will say it was because he was too small and now Joe has to fight such and such or he's a bum

For the record I have never been a massive Calzaghe Fan I don't like the way he fights but he was great against lacy and I have a lot of respect for him he has done more than most over his carrer

[Youngblood]

It always bothers me a bit, when people try to stack their arguements by saying or suggesting they are hardcore fans and new pêople are just bandwagon jumping. It isn`t really much of an arguement. All it tells really is that you have a long standing bias. You may have good knowledge, but don`t discount the ability to learn. It couldn`t hurt to try to look at a new and fresh approach and perspective. New people have looked at the old if they are worth their salt, used that info - to formulate opinions, often without bias.

Sorry I may not have been clear I tend to go on a bit, I did not mean new people are bandwagon jumping and I never claimed to be a hardcore fan My problem is when boxers get to the top of there game and the end of there career everyone seems to line up to try and shoot them down and say if he doesn't fight this young kid then his whole career is for shit, there is always an new young kid first it was Lacy then Kessler now Pavlik and if he beat Kelly then people will say it was because he was too small and now Joe has to fight such and such or he's a bum

For the record I have never been a massive Calzaghe Fan I don't like the way he fights but he was great against lacy and I have a lot of respect for him

I for one don`t think Joe`s career is for shit. And as I`ve openly stated many times on here, no disrespect would ever have been made to him, or atleast a justified disrespect if he quietly took the RJJ fight, or someone similar as he is heading into or is in the twilight of his career. I would have cheered him on. As a newly self-appointed Pavlik fan though, I did and still do take offence to his statements `he`s just not ready for me, I`m just too good ètc etc...as I don`t believe it so. I`m sure many of us would argue that, and hoped to see the fight. The majority wants to see it. But I think from a legacy point of view, we can understand how he wouldnt. The fight doesnt make much sense for him.

He brought the shit talking on himself with those statements. My perspective, of course.

[RP33]

I was going to reply about how i feel if this was Joe's last fight, and say how he's playing it safe and all, but instead, i want to take a look at the flip side..

seems as though we're all assuming that Joe will beat RJJ (obviously up for debate, but in the light of this thread.....)

what if joe LOST to RJJ.. then what? A.) Does he fight again? or retire on a loss.. B.) Is his legacy even WORSE now with a loss to what is considered a "washed-up" RJJ?

I mean, let's just say he loses to RJJ, and someone says, tell me about Joe Calzaghe.. Well he had a million title defenses after defeating Eubank, he was a great young champ he UD'd an up and comer in Jeff Lacy from the US, he UD'd Mikkel Kessler who was the top guy in his division, he SD'd a 43 year old Bernard Hopkins, and then went on to lose to a "washed-up" Roy Jones..

I'm mostly mad cause i do think Joe is a great fighter, i just wish i could've seen more of him in big fights.. it would've been more exciting and he would've made a LOT more money if he was fighting the top names for the last 7-8 years..

[Youngblood]

Is Lockett now wearing the same dress that Cintron wore, when he spoke of Margo smashing Cotto? you decide...

Boxing: Lockett backs Calzaghe to beat Pavlik - icWales

[CFH]

Is Lockett now wearing the same dress that Cintron wore, when he spoke of Margo smashing Cotto? you decide...

Boxing: Lockett backs Calzaghe to beat Pavlik - icWales

Isn't that the opposite of what Cintron did with Margo? Cintron backed the guy who beat him, Lockett is doing otherwise.

[Fenster]

I find people going on about Joe ducking fights ridiculous.

He has had a pretty safe carrer and only stepped it up at the end Warren could be blamed here as well

Joe is at the end of his career in his recent fights he has taken on the fights people wanted to see, how long can you keep taking on the new hottest contender, he has made no secret that he want to retire soon and in his last few fights he has taken on the dangerous young fighters (lacy and Kessler) and taken out the old guard. (Hopkins and hopefully Roy Jones) not a bad end to a career, but oh no there is a new young gun on the horizon two weight divisions lower who if he doesn't fight he is a "chicken shit turd" who's not worth shit!!

My point is at the end of a fighters career who has has fought as well as Joe has, he has taken risks and achieved more than most, I don't mind if he finishs off that career with a big fight that he wants he shouldnt have to take on every young gun on the scene till he gets beat, he has earned it and has to retire some time

Idiots will always jump on a new bandwagon and say such and such a fighter is washed up because it makes them look more like a hardcore boxing fan but in truth Joe will go down as great British figher and shouldn't be accused of ducking anyone

Good post.

Most of these guys never heard of Calzaghe until the Lacy fight. They don't realise, or conveniently ignore, that he's an old man. And even if he fought, and beat, Pavlik, there would be a new challenge he is ducking.. proving his whole career has been a con-job.

[RP33]

I find people going on about Joe ducking fights ridiculous.

He has had a pretty safe carrer and only stepped it up at the end Warren could be blamed here as well

Joe is at the end of his career in his recent fights he has taken on the fights people wanted to see, how long can you keep taking on the new hottest contender, he has made no secret that he want to retire soon and in his last few fights he has taken on the dangerous young fighters (lacy and Kessler) and taken out the old guard. (Hopkins and hopefully Roy Jones) not a bad end to a career, but oh no there is a new young gun on the horizon two weight divisions lower who if he doesn't fight he is a "chicken shit turd" who's not worth shit!!

My point is at the end of a fighters career who has has fought as well as Joe has, he has taken risks and achieved more than most, I don't mind if he finishs off that career with a big fight that he wants he shouldnt have to take on every young gun on the scene till he gets beat, he has earned it and has to retire some time

Idiots will always jump on a new bandwagon and say such and such a fighter is washed up because it makes them look more like a hardcore boxing fan but in truth Joe will go down as great British figher and shouldn't be accused of ducking anyone

i totally understand where you're coming from.. but i'd like to hear your views on PBF haha.. and see if you say the same things about him.. and if you do, then i'd consider your opinion on calzaghe non-biased..

do you think mayweather needs to continue taking on the up and comers (cotto, paul williams, etc..)? He has more meaningful names on his resume then Joe could ever DREAM of, yet he still gets flak for not fighting Cotto (i'm not saying that he shouldn't fight him, just stating what goes on).. So do you think that he needs to continue fighting the new hot prospect, or has he accomplished enough in the sport where he could just retire and not be criticized doing so.. keep in mind that Floyd is not 25, he's 31 or 32, so i don't think the age card is available here..

[sonny78]

Re: Calzaghe says Jones his last fight
Quote:
Originally Posted by sonny78
I find people going on about Joe ducking fights ridiculous.

He has had a pretty safe carrer and only stepped it up at the end Warren could be blamed here as well

Joe is at the end of his career in his recent fights he has taken on the fights people wanted to see, how long can you keep taking on the new hottest contender, he has made no secret that he want to retire soon and in his last few fights he has taken on the dangerous young fighters (lacy and Kessler) and taken out the old guard. (Hopkins and hopefully Roy Jones) not a bad end to a career, but oh no there is a new young gun on the horizon two weight divisions lower who if he doesn't fight he is a "chicken shit turd" who's not worth shit!!

My point is at the end of a fighters career who has has fought as well as Joe has, he has taken risks and achieved more than most, I don't mind if he finishs off that career with a big fight that he wants he shouldnt have to take on every young gun on the scene till he gets beat, he has earned it and has to retire some time

Idiots will always jump on a new bandwagon and say such and such a fighter is washed up because it makes them look more like a hardcore boxing fan but in truth Joe will go down as great British figher and shouldn't be accused of ducking anyone
i totally understand where you're coming from.. but i'd like to hear your views on PBF haha.. and see if you say the same things about him.. and if you do, then i'd consider your opinion on calzaghe non-biased..

do you think mayweather needs to continue taking on the up and comers (cotto, paul williams, etc..)? He has more meaningful names on his resume then Joe could ever DREAM of, yet he still gets flak for not fighting Cotto (i'm not saying that he shouldn't fight him, just stating what goes on).. So do you think that he needs to continue fighting the new hot prospect, or has he accomplished enough in the sport where he could just retire and not be criticized doing so.. keep in mind that Floyd is not 25, he's 31 or 32, so i don't think the age card is available here..

I posted this on another thread I feel the same about PBF I would love to see Cotto Vs PBF but will never slag him off for not taking it

As for PBF he has now retired and if he hasn't he only has one fight left Cotto and Margarito are the two most exciting fighters at WW at the moment but lots can change in a year what if Margarito beats Cotto to then gets beaten by William's again would you all then be shouting for PBF to come back and fight William's otherwise he is an overrated pussy!!

My point is at the end of a fighters career who has has fought as well as these two have, they have both taken risks and achieved more than most, I don't mind if they finish off that career with a big fight that they want and dont take on every young gun on the scene till they get beat, they have earned it they have to retire some time

Idiots will always jump on a new bandwagon and say such and such a fighter is washed up because it makes them look more like a hardcore boxing fan but in truth both these fighters will go down as greats and shouldn't be accused of ducking anyone

[Trainer Monkey]

Re: Calzaghe says Jones his last fight
Quote:
Originally Posted by sonny78
I find people going on about Joe ducking fights ridiculous.

He has had a pretty safe carrer and only stepped it up at the end Warren could be blamed here as well

Joe is at the end of his career in his recent fights he has taken on the fights people wanted to see, how long can you keep taking on the new hottest contender, he has made no secret that he want to retire soon and in his last few fights he has taken on the dangerous young fighters (lacy and Kessler) and taken out the old guard. (Hopkins and hopefully Roy Jones) not a bad end to a career, but oh no there is a new young gun on the horizon two weight divisions lower who if he doesn't fight he is a "chicken shit turd" who's not worth shit!!

My point is at the end of a fighters career who has has fought as well as Joe has, he has taken risks and achieved more than most, I don't mind if he finishs off that career with a big fight that he wants he shouldnt have to take on every young gun on the scene till he gets beat, he has earned it and has to retire some time

Idiots will always jump on a new bandwagon and say such and such a fighter is washed up because it makes them look more like a hardcore boxing fan but in truth Joe will go down as great British figher and shouldn't be accused of ducking anyone
i totally understand where you're coming from.. but i'd like to hear your views on PBF haha.. and see if you say the same things about him.. and if you do, then i'd consider your opinion on calzaghe non-biased..

do you think mayweather needs to continue taking on the up and comers (cotto, paul williams, etc..)? He has more meaningful names on his resume then Joe could ever DREAM of, yet he still gets flak for not fighting Cotto (i'm not saying that he shouldn't fight him, just stating what goes on).. So do you think that he needs to continue fighting the new hot prospect, or has he accomplished enough in the sport where he could just retire and not be criticized doing so.. keep in mind that Floyd is not 25, he's 31 or 32, so i don't think the age card is available here..

I posted this on another thread I feel the same about PBF I would love to see Cotto Vs PBF but will never slag him off for not taking it

As for PBF he has now retired and if he hasn't he only has one fight left Cotto and Margarito are the two most exciting fighters at WW at the moment but lots can change in a year what if Margarito beats Cotto to then gets beaten by William's again would you all then be shouting for PBF to come back and fight William's otherwise he is an overrated pussy!!

My point is at the end of a fighters career who has has fought as well as these two have, they have both taken risks and achieved more than most, I don't mind if they finish off that career with a big fight that they want and dont take on every young gun on the scene till they get beat, they have earned it they have to retire some time

Idiots will always jump on a new bandwagon and say such and such a fighter is washed up because it makes them look more like a hardcore boxing fan but in truth both these fighters will go down as greats and shouldn't be accused of ducking anyone

Oh do give it up,other then Kessler he hasnt taken anybody on
Lacy wasnt ready,Hopkins is to old,and if he had dropped him one more time,Joe loses that fight too.
Pavlik has flat out called him out,and he has to come up to do it,and he goes for the corpse that used to be Roy Jones Jr,who he said he had no interest in fighting just this year
If its not arthritic,injured,in Wales,or inexperienced,Joe doesnt want it

[OumaFan]

I can't remember a "big" fight I cared so little about. Maybe its just me. I would have liked to have seen Calzaghe-Pavlik but oh well, at least it appears that we will not see Mayweather-Hatton 2 which I guess makes up for this at least two times over.

This could turn into a lose-lose situation (except of course money wise and its easy to forget that's mainly what these guys care about, not just Joe) for Joe although I guess you could say almost any fight has that potential.

[Pavlik]

I also can't be hating on Cal for taking the easy way out, but he should look good on beating RJJ because if not IF HE STRUGGLES even if he wins it's going to be a stinkbomb.

[Fenster]

I can't remember a "big" fight I cared so little about. Maybe its just me. I would have liked to have seen Calzaghe-Pavlik but oh well, at least it appears that we will not see Mayweather-Hatton 2 which I guess makes up for this at least two times over.

This could turn into a lose-lose situation (except of course money wise and its easy to forget that's mainly what these guys care about, not just Joe) for Joe although I guess you could say almost any fight has that potential.

It's more an old boys exhibition - Jones-Tito, Hopkins-Winky.. even Hopkins-Calzaghe to a point.

The fossils need to fuck off. Fact.