If you had to make a P4P list for the little guys

[CutMeMick]

1 Fernando Monteil
2 Christian Mijares
3 Ivan Calderon
4 Hozumi Hasegawa
5 Ulises Solis
6 Yutaka Niida
7 Nonito Donaire
8 Takefumi Sakata
9 Omar Narvaez
10 Daisuke Naito
11 Gerry Penalosa
12 Koki Kameda
13 Silence Mabuza
14 Hugo Cazares
15 Joseph Agbeko
16 Z Gorres
17 Alexander Munoz
18 Oleydong Something
19 Brahim Asloum
20 Giovanni Segura

VD, I know you like Koki a lot but really #12 P4P...
(this isn't a skills list this is just p4p)

How are Koki, Silence, Gorres and Segura on your list but no Sosa or Nietes who IMO have clearly done more in p4p terms then Koki, Silence, Gorres and def. more then the young Segura.

[Kev]

1 Fernando Monteil
2 Christian Mijares
3 Ivan Calderon
4 Hozumi Hasegawa
5 Ulises Solis
6 Yutaka Niida
7 Nonito Donaire
8 Takefumi Sakata
9 Omar Narvaez
10 Daisuke Naito
11 Gerry Penalosa
12 Koki Kameda
13 Silence Mabuza
14 Hugo Cazares
15 Joseph Agbeko
16 Z Gorres
17 Alexander Munoz
18 Oleydong Something
19 Brahim Asloum
20 Giovanni Segura

VD, I know you like Koki a lot but really #12 P4P...
(this isn't a skills list this is just p4p)

How are Koki, Silence, Gorres and Segura on your list but no Sosa or Nietes who IMO have clearly done more in p4p terms then Koki, Silence, Gorres and def. more then the young Segura.

If he atually fought in his proper weight class our little Ian Napa could whup everyone on your sucky p4p lists. He's the real deal.

[El Gamo]

Micks list and VD's pretty much say it all. Hasegawa has accomplished alot more than Donaire so that's justified.

1. Calderon
2. Mijares
3. Montiel
4. Hasegawa
5. Sakata
6. Solis
7. Penalosa


Mine would go domething like that.More like Micks I think. Calderon HAS to be first imo. No question about it. 2 weight champ. Undefeated.Upteen defences. And rarely gets hit in a fight. AND beat some of th best fighters around along the way. Mijares has a way to go before he catches up to that imo,especially as Ivan is fighting Hugo again.

[CutMeMick]

1 Fernando Monteil
2 Christian Mijares
3 Ivan Calderon
4 Hozumi Hasegawa
5 Ulises Solis
6 Yutaka Niida
7 Nonito Donaire
8 Takefumi Sakata
9 Omar Narvaez
10 Daisuke Naito
11 Gerry Penalosa
12 Koki Kameda
13 Silence Mabuza
14 Hugo Cazares
15 Joseph Agbeko
16 Z Gorres
17 Alexander Munoz
18 Oleydong Something
19 Brahim Asloum
20 Giovanni Segura

VD, I know you like Koki a lot but really #12 P4P...
(this isn't a skills list this is just p4p)

How are Koki, Silence, Gorres and Segura on your list but no Sosa or Nietes who IMO have clearly done more in p4p terms then Koki, Silence, Gorres and def. more then the young Segura.

If he atually fought in his proper weight class our little Ian Napa could whup everyone on your sucky p4p lists. He's the real deal.

Run along now...
When we start talking about Crusiers & Heavys we'll let you know.

Actually Bilbs I have seen Napa the guys got good reflexes but he's missing something. I think he needs to let his hands go a bit more. I saw his fight vs. Maldourtto (spelling) and he just needed a little more.

[Violent Demise]

1 Fernando Monteil
2 Christian Mijares
3 Ivan Calderon
4 Hozumi Hasegawa
5 Ulises Solis
6 Yutaka Niida
7 Nonito Donaire
8 Takefumi Sakata
9 Omar Narvaez
10 Daisuke Naito
11 Gerry Penalosa
12 Koki Kameda
13 Silence Mabuza
14 Hugo Cazares
15 Joseph Agbeko
16 Z Gorres
17 Alexander Munoz
18 Oleydong Something
19 Brahim Asloum
20 Giovanni Segura

VD, I know you like Koki a lot but really #12 P4P...
(this isn't a skills list this is just p4p)

How are Koki, Silence, Gorres and Segura on your list but no Sosa or Nietes who IMO have clearly done more in p4p terms then Koki, Silence, Gorres and def. more then the young Segura.

Regarding Sosa non-placement. Easy. I forgot about him. Nietes has done more than Segura. I agree. But I seen one of Nietes fights. Every fighter on my lists I seen at least 3 times. Including the obscure Olyedong. For some reason I'm having a hard time locating Nietes fights. I can't really rate a fighter I seen so little of.