The issue is whilst the record does speak you need to see them fight.

You and I have read sooo much about boxers and then when we see them we're like huh.....

I remember when Orzubek had a little streak going then he beat Gamache and people were prasing Orzubek like something special then I saw him fight and I was like... OK what's the bigg fuzz?

Samething applies for Greb and the rest of those fighters whom I can't see footage on. They are great "so I've read" but how far a long does that do for me if my eyes can't see it?

That's why I've said it time and time again unless I've seen a fighter fight several times I really wont commment and I refuse to rank or rate them. Even fighters like Pep and Loi I've only ever seen about 5, 6 fight and yes they look good but I can't fully comment on them as to see 5 fights on fighter who had over 100 fights is IMO a bit dumb.