Landing Hooks and Uppercuts from the outside.

[Andre]

I wouldn't throw uppercuts from the outside watch what happened to Douglas against Holyfield, And watch what happened to Leonard throwing hooks from the outside against Hearns in the rematch. I find it so easy to counter my opponent when they try and throw hooks or uppercuts from the outside, good luck to you Donny if you can do it effectively but its not something i would ever do too risky.

I like uppercuts and what they can create specially for the next move on an opening.


I think the uppercut is best executed hidden from view. either by a feint that has attracted their lead arm across themselves more into centre, then have the uppercut come up under that same arm right at the point when it heads back to the side so they dont see it and it only appears right on the end of their own arms movment.(worth practiceing that exact timing and where you have to be bodily).

Or hidden by your own body movment like when you are passing under a lead arm to the outside and you follow your movment with the uppercut off your rear arm, launched in secret off your hip right between his arms as you pass through so theres weight and movment in it.

Sneaky people can even lightly shove an arm and the fighter will react and his arm will force against the original push which you can then rip up the inside of or around.

So : (follow my kookyness here ) you could lightly shove a lead left arm at the elbow point in towards his centre as you duck and passed through under it....his reaction would insinctly be that his arm would follow your body movment and you would then have the opening to use the rear arm uppercut as you followed his arm through etc .


Hooking the lead arm from the outside and immediatley uppercut under the reaction to it is possible too, while moving into distance. (Only if your in in opposite stances) right arm lead verses left arm lead or the reverse of course.

Turning an uppercut over into a cross from down real low will follow the path of the target and can get a result in some cases where they are already on the move early.

IF your heads are at the same level ,an uppercut straight into an overhand bomb is going to find the natural opening that the uppercut creates both using two hands one up the inside alley and the other over the outside if your both in the same stances or just the one arm in that combo if your both in the reverse stance to each other.

[southpawed]

i dont know about a long long left hook. But if you're going to throw it as a lead punch, i found that the hook off the jab works well. The jab determines if they're in range or not, if they are, then pow, twist your hips and nail em.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I wouldn't throw uppercuts from the outside watch what happened to Douglas against Holyfield, And watch what happened to Leonard throwing hooks from the outside against Hearns in the rematch. I find it so easy to counter my opponent when they try and throw hooks or uppercuts from the outside, good luck to you Donny if you can do it effectively but its not something i would ever do too risky.

You'll realise yourself that this is not necesarily true as you get more expierience.

Working on the outside, sometimes you need that uppercut in order to stop and opponent hunching his way in.

[Andre]

I wouldn't throw uppercuts from the outside watch what happened to Douglas against Holyfield, And watch what happened to Leonard throwing hooks from the outside against Hearns in the rematch. I find it so easy to counter my opponent when they try and throw hooks or uppercuts from the outside, good luck to you Donny if you can do it effectively but its not something i would ever do too risky.

You'll realise yourself that this is not necesarily true as you get more expierience.

Working on the outside, sometimes you need that uppercut in order to stop and opponent hunching his way in.

When you guys are talking, your stating 'from the outside' as being (from at a greater distance than at nose to nose fighting).

I read it that way.
No wonder some of my posts are confusing for some if i dont explain what Im thinking in detail:

I often use that same term trying to describe the difference between fighting from or launching a strike from in between someones arms (on the inside) and then from the "outside" as in outside of their guard or over the top of one of their arms.

Is there a correct boxing term to use for this difference?

[Trainer Monkey]

I wouldn't throw uppercuts from the outside watch what happened to Douglas against Holyfield, And watch what happened to Leonard throwing hooks from the outside against Hearns in the rematch. I find it so easy to counter my opponent when they try and throw hooks or uppercuts from the outside, good luck to you Donny if you can do it effectively but its not something i would ever do too risky.

You'll realise yourself that this is not necesarily true as you get more expierience.

Working on the outside, sometimes you need that uppercut in order to stop and opponent hunching his way in.

Sorry Donny,I view an outside uppercut as a gift from god,I can walk right in on it,even at my age. Ill be in your jockstrap almost immediately wich is where I want to be anyway. And an outside uppercut, gives me my in.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I wouldn't throw uppercuts from the outside watch what happened to Douglas against Holyfield, And watch what happened to Leonard throwing hooks from the outside against Hearns in the rematch. I find it so easy to counter my opponent when they try and throw hooks or uppercuts from the outside, good luck to you Donny if you can do it effectively but its not something i would ever do too risky.

You'll realise yourself that this is not necesarily true as you get more expierience.

Working on the outside, sometimes you need that uppercut in order to stop and opponent hunching his way in.

When you guys are talking, your stating 'from the outside' as being (from at a greater distance than at nose to nose fighting).

I read it that way.
No wonder some of my posts are confusing for some if i dont explain what Im thinking in detail:

I often use that same term trying to describe the difference between fighting from or launching a strike from in between someones arms (on the inside) and then from the "outside" as in outside of their guard or over the top of one of their arms.

Is there a correct boxing term to use for this difference?

I've learned three distances. Inside fighting, medium distance and long distance.
Long distance and medium distance I treat as "the outside."
I only regard toe to toe pursuits as truely being on the inside.

I wouldn't throw uppercuts from the outside watch what happened to Douglas against Holyfield, And watch what happened to Leonard throwing hooks from the outside against Hearns in the rematch. I find it so easy to counter my opponent when they try and throw hooks or uppercuts from the outside, good luck to you Donny if you can do it effectively but its not something i would ever do too risky.

You'll realise yourself that this is not necesarily true as you get more expierience.

Working on the outside, sometimes you need that uppercut in order to stop and opponent hunching his way in.

Sorry Donny,I view an outside uppercut as a gift from god,I can walk right in on it,even at my age. Ill be in your jockstrap almost immediately wich is where I want to be anyway. And an outside uppercut, gives me my in.

I've seen them used with percision by Robinson, Ali, Jones and Arguello.
When facing a shorter fighter that tries to come straight forward they feint, draw a reaction and time it. They later feint again and when the reaction occurs, step in uppercut step out.

Its a classy little movement i'm finding difficult to learn.

[Trainer Monkey]

Donny,one of the first things I tell my fighters when I show them Ali fights is,"Dont do that,your not Ali"

[donnydarkoIRL]

Donny,one of the first things I tell my fighters when I show them Ali fights is,"Dont do that,your not Ali"

Ha true enough, but I've developed some speed in my feet so I might attempt a few bits and pieces.

[shashangan]

Hi,
I actually have some experience of using the hooks (not wild swings) in street fights.One thing I learned is using front half of your foot(the part ohter than the heel) as an anchor.When you throw a hook just pivot on it like crushing a peanut.This helps in making the hook centerlined i.e prevents it from degenerating into a swing also you can lead off the hook very easily which means after throwing a left jab just pivot on your left and you can produce a left hook without retracting the punching left hand.