Khan is going to fail at top level

[porkypara]

He is fast , but thats it , he has a questinable chin , and the first tough guy he faces wil KO him in my opinion.
What do you guys think ?

I know what you are saying but if Khan fought at a higher level he would box a diferent way.

I think he needs to fight a current top 10 lightweight to bring out the best in him or maybe expose him.

I think Khan wants to fight the best but Warren is holding him back not wanting to take a risk.


Also dont forget when he was on the way up Nigel Benn got dropped,rocked and stopped before he won a world title.

Yes Khan may fight differently againest a better fighter , but a better fighter will find hid chin easier than Gomez , who couldnt drop a glass jawed Carl Johanson , simple fact is Khan gets KOED at top level.

Even if Khan cant take a big shot and I dont think that has been proven one way or the other yet that does not mean he wont be world champion.


Lennox Lewis,Nigel Benn,Tommy Hernes to name a few off the top of my head all went down if hit clean and they done ok in there time.

[Dark Lord Al]

I know what you are saying but if Khan fought at a higher level he would box a diferent way.

I think he needs to fight a current top 10 lightweight to bring out the best in him or maybe expose him.

I think Khan wants to fight the best but Warren is holding him back not wanting to take a risk.


Also dont forget when he was on the way up Nigel Benn got dropped,rocked and stopped before he won a world title.

Yes Khan may fight differently againest a better fighter , but a better fighter will find hid chin easier than Gomez , who couldnt drop a glass jawed Carl Johanson , simple fact is Khan gets KOED at top level.

Even if Khan cant take a big shot and I dont think that has been proven one way or the other yet that does not mean he wont be world champion.


Lennox Lewis,Nigel Benn,Tommy Hernes to name a few off the top of my head all went down if hit clean and they done ok in there time.

Lewis and Hearns were great fighter , all 3 have excellent KO power ,
What qualities does Khan have to compare to these 3 ?

[porkypara]

Yes Khan may fight differently againest a better fighter , but a better fighter will find hid chin easier than Gomez , who couldnt drop a glass jawed Carl Johanson , simple fact is Khan gets KOED at top level.

Even if Khan cant take a big shot and I dont think that has been proven one way or the other yet that does not mean he wont be world champion.


Lennox Lewis,Nigel Benn,Tommy Hernes to name a few off the top of my head all went down if hit clean and they done ok in there time.

Lewis and Hearns were great fighter , all 3 have excellent KO power ,
What qualities does Khan have to compare to these 3 ?

Fast acurate hands.
Very good footwork.
Picks his shots well.
Fast busy workrate.
Recovers from a knockdown quickly and returns fire with fire.
Hard but not devestating puncher.
Good all round boxer.
Can fight on the back foot.
Can fight going forward.
Big heart.
Willing to learn.
Wants to fight the best out there.

Chin will find out in the future.

[Dark Lord Al]

Even if Khan cant take a big shot and I dont think that has been proven one way or the other yet that does not mean he wont be world champion.


Lennox Lewis,Nigel Benn,Tommy Hernes to name a few off the top of my head all went down if hit clean and they done ok in there time.

Lewis and Hearns were great fighter , all 3 have excellent KO power ,
What qualities does Khan have to compare to these 3 ?

Fast acurate hands.
Very good footwork.
Picks his shots well.
Fast busy workrate.
Recovers from a knockdown quickly and returns fire with fire.
Hard but not devestating puncher.
Good all round boxer.
Can fight on the back foot.
Can fight going forward.
Big heart.
Willing to learn.
Wants to fight the best out there.

Chin will find out in the future.

WANTS TO FIGHT THE BEST OUT THERE
HE HAD BETTER LEAVE THE WARREN CAMP THEN. LOL

[porkypara]

Lewis and Hearns were great fighter , all 3 have excellent KO power ,
What qualities does Khan have to compare to these 3 ?

Fast acurate hands.
Very good footwork.
Picks his shots well.
Fast busy workrate.
Recovers from a knockdown quickly and returns fire with fire.
Hard but not devestating puncher.
Good all round boxer.
Can fight on the back foot.
Can fight going forward.
Big heart.
Willing to learn.
Wants to fight the best out there.

Chin will find out in the future.

WANTS TO FIGHT THE BEST OUT THERE
HE HAD BETTER LEAVE THE WARREN CAMP THEN. LOL

I agree.

Warren is good at developing fighters but is reluctant to let them make that last step up to world level.

[sonny78]

He will win a world tittle but how good a champion he becomes only time will tell he is young.

He has a bit of a way to go I actually think he will move up to LWW and clean up after Hatton the extra weight may help his punch resistance I cant see may people at LWW handle his speed

Khan Vs Bradley next year ?

[gudnite vienna]

people keep bangin on about Kahns chin but he aint been KO'd, so nothing has been proved.. He has been in trouble once in his career, and recoved well..

[leftylee]

I agree, he has to tighten up his defense. His chin is awful.

[ono]

Jesus Christ.

I hope you people realise that Boxing is in the state it's in today because the majority of the fans are as fickle as i'm seeing on here.

Are prospects not even allowed to get hit anymore? It's shitty enough that a prospects career can be over as soon as he loses for the first time, but to say it's practically over because he got hit a few times is completely ludicrous.

This is the sort of thinking that stops promoters from putting their fighters in with quality, testing opposition, because the minute their fighter get's hurt or looks bad the fighter is suddenly shite.

Where's the learning curve? He's 21 for god sake. If you can show me any prospect that is the perfect fighter or any prospect that doesn't have certain question marks hanging over him, then you will have shown me a world class fighter and not actually a prospect. Amir Kahn is a prospect. A very good prospect at that.

Obviously Frank Warren is expecting him to make mistakes. If he didn't, Kahn would have fought Nate or Casa by now. At the minute Kahn is fighting the level of oppostion where he can make mistakes and not get punished for them. Surely that's the aim when bringing a fighter along. So long as he learns from the mistakes (which i believe he is) then there isn't a problem.

Personally i think kahn is about 2 years away from a world title. To say he won't win one when we're in an era where the likes of Maussa, Baldomir, Arthur, Rees, Witter, Maccarineli, Harris, Malignaggi, Mora etc... can win world titles is a little bit over the top.

It's ok saying he'l get found out at the top level, but who's there to find him out? I expect if the 135 division is too tough, he'll move up to 140 to challenge for one. There certainly aint anyone, except for Hatton who i'd worry about Kahn not been able to beat at 140 in about a years time.

As for last night's fight, i thought Kahn was pretty good. He kept his left hand up quite a lot more than he has in the past. that's a sign he's learning from his mistakes. His combinations were world class. I don't think anybody can deny that. He showed he had heart. Offensively he is brilliant.

Defensively he needs work but it's hard to be great defensively when you throw that many combinations. You're bound to leave yourself open at some point. His chin is still in question for me. The shot last night knocked him off balance, he got caught square on. He got hurt to the body, but he covered up well and came back with an even better shot.

He looks a bit vulnerable to me at times and he get's too involved when he could win fights on the back foot. Nothing that can't be ironed out with maturity.

As for Gomez, i said when the fight was made, i couldn't believe warren would put kahn in with him. He's unpredictable. I said it was a dangerous fight and i was laughed at by some on here.

Anyway i think i've made my point. He's a prospect. Prospects make mistakes. I didn't think he was ready for a world title before the fight and i still don't think he is ready now. Just think it's a shame that he doesn't seem to be allowed to make mistakes without being bagged on.

[Dark Lord Al]

Jesus Christ.

I hope you people realise that Boxing is in the state it's in today because the majority of the fans are as fickle as i'm seeing on here.

Are prospects not even allowed to get hit anymore? It's shitty enough that a prospects career can be over as soon as he loses for the first time, but to say it's practically over because he got hit a few times is completely ludicrous.

This is the sort of thinking that stops promoters from putting their fighters in with quality, testing opposition, because the minute their fighter get's hurt or looks bad the fighter is suddenly shite.

Where's the learning curve? He's 21 for god sake. If you can show me any prospect that is the perfect fighter or any prospect that doesn't have certain question marks hanging over him, then you will have shown me a world class fighter and not actually a prospect. Amir Kahn is a prospect. A very good prospect at that.

Obviously Frank Warren is expecting him to make mistakes. If he didn't, Kahn would have fought Nate or Casa by now. At the minute Kahn is fighting the level of oppostion where he can make mistakes and not get punished for them. Surely that's the aim when bringing a fighter along. So long as he learns from the mistakes (which i believe he is) then there isn't a problem.

Personally i think kahn is about 2 years away from a world title. To say he won't win one when we're in an era where the likes of Maussa, Baldomir, Arthur, Rees, Witter, Maccarineli, Harris, Malignaggi, Mora etc... can win world titles is a little bit over the top.

It's ok saying he'l get found out at the top level, but who's there to find him out? I expect if the 135 division is too tough, he'll move up to 140 to challenge for one. There certainly aint anyone, except for Hatton who i'd worry about Kahn not been able to beat at 140 in about a years time.

As for last night's fight, i thought Kahn was pretty good. He kept his left hand up quite a lot more than he has in the past. that's a sign he's learning from his mistakes. His combinations were world class. I don't think anybody can deny that. He showed he had heart. Offensively he is brilliant.

Defensively he needs work but it's hard to be great defensively when you throw that many combinations. You're bound to leave yourself open at some point. His chin is still in question for me. The shot last night knocked him off balance, he got caught square on. He got hurt to the body, but he covered up well and came back with an even better shot.

He looks a bit vulnerable to me at times and he get's too involved when he could win fights on the back foot. Nothing that can't be ironed out with maturity.

As for Gomez, i said when the fight was made, i couldn't believe warren would put kahn in with him. He's unpredictable. I said it was a dangerous fight and i was laughed at by some on here.

Anyway i think i've made my point. He's a prospect. Prospects make mistakes. I didn't think he was ready for a world title before the fight and i still don't think he is ready now. Just think it's a shame that he doesn't seem to be allowed to make mistakes without being bagged on.

Some fair points , yes he is learning , but my opinion is he will wilt under world class pressure.
Gomez is shot.
PS. calm down

[porkypara]

Jesus Christ.

I hope you people realise that Boxing is in the state it's in today because the majority of the fans are as fickle as i'm seeing on here.

Are prospects not even allowed to get hit anymore? It's shitty enough that a prospects career can be over as soon as he loses for the first time, but to say it's practically over because he got hit a few times is completely ludicrous.

This is the sort of thinking that stops promoters from putting their fighters in with quality, testing opposition, because the minute their fighter get's hurt or looks bad the fighter is suddenly shite.

Where's the learning curve? He's 21 for god sake. If you can show me any prospect that is the perfect fighter or any prospect that doesn't have certain question marks hanging over him, then you will have shown me a world class fighter and not actually a prospect. Amir Kahn is a prospect. A very good prospect at that.

Obviously Frank Warren is expecting him to make mistakes. If he didn't, Kahn would have fought Nate or Casa by now. At the minute Kahn is fighting the level of oppostion where he can make mistakes and not get punished for them. Surely that's the aim when bringing a fighter along. So long as he learns from the mistakes (which i believe he is) then there isn't a problem.

Personally i think kahn is about 2 years away from a world title. To say he won't win one when we're in an era where the likes of Maussa, Baldomir, Arthur, Rees, Witter, Maccarineli, Harris, Malignaggi, Mora etc... can win world titles is a little bit over the top.

It's ok saying he'l get found out at the top level, but who's there to find him out? I expect if the 135 division is too tough, he'll move up to 140 to challenge for one. There certainly aint anyone, except for Hatton who i'd worry about Kahn not been able to beat at 140 in about a years time.

As for last night's fight, i thought Kahn was pretty good. He kept his left hand up quite a lot more than he has in the past. that's a sign he's learning from his mistakes. His combinations were world class. I don't think anybody can deny that. He showed he had heart. Offensively he is brilliant.

Defensively he needs work but it's hard to be great defensively when you throw that many combinations. You're bound to leave yourself open at some point. His chin is still in question for me. The shot last night knocked him off balance, he got caught square on. He got hurt to the body, but he covered up well and came back with an even better shot.

He looks a bit vulnerable to me at times and he get's too involved when he could win fights on the back foot. Nothing that can't be ironed out with maturity.

As for Gomez, i said when the fight was made, i couldn't believe warren would put kahn in with him. He's unpredictable. I said it was a dangerous fight and i was laughed at by some on here.

Anyway i think i've made my point. He's a prospect. Prospects make mistakes. I didn't think he was ready for a world title before the fight and i still don't think he is ready now. Just think it's a shame that he doesn't seem to be allowed to make mistakes without being bagged on.

Well said.

Dont forget Ali almost got KOd by Cooper and in his next fight he beat Liston for the Heavy weight championship of the world.


Also De La Hoya got put down a few times early in his carrer and critics said he could not take a shot but he went on to prove he has a great chin.

Khan is a great prospect and I dont understand how you could say different.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Put him in with the winner of Diaz V Katsidis, now that will tell us if he is any good!

[Kev]

I agree with Ono, Khan is only 21 and is showing exceptional promise.

What is rather ironic is that if he wasn't such a hyped talent but was an unknown with his exact same record people would say he could really take a shot having been in trouble a couple of times in his career but instantly getting back up to stop his opponent just a round or two later.

I don't see how people can say his chin is weak as if he'll collapse as soon as pressure is applied as twice now he has legitimately been caught and dropped and risen straight back instantly and gone back on the offensive.

Why are you haters not calling Michael Gomez glass jawed as he was dropped twice in the same fight?

What about Librado Andrade as he got floored with a single punch by Yusaf Mack?

Getting caught flush and falling to the ground can happen to any fighter.

Getting back up before the ref has even started to count and then delivering a complete beat down of your opponent ending the fight within the next 3 to 6 minutes is the sign of a fighter with great heart.

It's never said on this board but go through Khan's last 5 or 6 fights and show me a more exciting young fighter in the world today?

His fight with Gomez was a war, his fight with Willie Limond was awesome, his destruction of Graham Earl was brutal.

He's far and way Britains' most exciting fighter to watch right now and when he does step up in class you can virtually guarantee he;ll be in fight of the year matchups.


Why does nobody ever mention his entertainment value? He's great fun to watch and his suspect chin just adds to the drama.

And as for him not making it at the top level, utter bollocks.

Sure he very well may lose going up against the likes of Pazquaio, Diaz, Casamayor etc but he's going to be around for a long time and his career won't be decided on a single fight.

And to be real here, supposed dodgy chin aside for what other reason would he be outclassed by any of the top guys?

Some people talk as if he's a no hoper about to get brutalised when he's up against one of the big boys, but let's be honest, suppose his chin is tougher than we think, and he can stand up to the punchers of the best 135 lb fighters.

The question then in my mind is how would they be able to beat him?

He's faster and slicker than all of them. He's a decade and a half younger than most of them, and he's getting better and better whilst they all decline.

If he shoots for a title shot in the next 12 months he may well lose but I wouldn't put money on Casamayor, Campbell, either Diaz or even Pacquaio beating him any later than the end of 2009.

He's going to be a world star.

[Kirkland Laing]

I don't think I'm being fickle over Khan. We've all been waiting to see what happens when he gets hit by somebody who can punch and we saw a superfeather knock him down with a punch that left him wobbling for over a minute afterwards. If he gets in the ring with any legitimate lightweight title holder he's going to take a lot of harder punches than he's faced up to now. Granted he'll be giving plenty back out but he's not going to be facing Gomez-level reactions or defence when he does. I think he's nuts if he thinks he's ready for a top lightweight.

[brucelee]

I won't judge Khan yet. He is developing and still learning and we don't know what he will become. Just take it easy on him guys.