Landing Hooks and Uppercuts from the outside.

[El Kabong]

Joe Frazier, Rocky Marciano, and Mike Tyson used it...you follow up with a right uppercut and you've just ran THEM into another power punch.


But fine, you do you....I'm just throwing out some stuff that has worked for me.


I doubt the guys I've hit with my hook have felt that anything was left out of it....I know I couldn't tell I hit any lighter because I don't leave the ground when I throw that combination...I wait until the fighter is in range pump the jab...pause step forward roll the right shoulder and see if they move their arms forward then I drop the bomb....if not I just keep my head moving and work the 1-2 until they buy the feint



But I know the best hook is the quick counter one and not the one loaded up on...I throw those different ways as well. On the quick one I turn my wrist aiming for the point of the chin, on the big one I keep my wrist perpendicular to the ground and I just want to make contact with anything a head, a glove, an arm, the body, anything just to let my opponent know what's coming.

[southpawed]

Joe Frazier, Rocky Marciano, and Mike Tyson used it...you follow up with a right uppercut and you've just ran THEM into another power punch.


But fine, you do you....I'm just throwing out some stuff that has worked for me.

ya missed one, the late and great Floyd Patterson. I remember being in awe of his leaping left hook, seeing him lay out Johansson with it was awesome. He often executed it in the same manner you're talking about too, in which he would feint with his right to the body, and that would coil up his legs to unleash that leaping left hook. good stuff.

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I've tried it.

I've found that it not only robs you of your balance and leverage it also steals an opportunity for work from you.

When you lunge you lose the ability to apply full power and precision. You're not grounded, losing you're capacity for power.
However, lunging means you're also going to be moving towards an opponent at a fast rate. Even if you do connect you're bound to be two close to capitalise, smothering your own work and wasting opportunity.

Donny i see where Lyle is coming from, but i can also see your POV of the whole idea of 'lunging' also . You see it as a balls out jump at your opponent and swing, which yes, would either stuff your range or leave you off balanced and in no position to launch any other offense.

But i think Lyle means a controlled calculated lunge. As with any other punch thrown in boxing, all the factors have to be considered, such as your range, the timing, the direction your opponent is moving, etc etc. Even moreso with the leaping left hook. If you time it correctly and find the perfect range, that seemingly desperate lunge is nothing more than a method of closing that distance, and if landed, it can put you in a perfect position to throw another punch off of it.

But theres really no argument, because you're correct also. As with any lunging attack, you miscalculate and you can be in a world of shit, with everything you mentioned, stuffed range, no chance of a follow up attack. But it cant be totally ruled out of your arsenal. Just gotta know when to use it and how to set it up.

[Trainer Monkey]

Its basically,if you get caught lunging with a straight right your screwed. Actually Frazier and Tyson didnt lunge as much as weave in

[El Kabong]

Feinting the right cross is an easy way to "weave in"...it's like a pitcher throwing fastball after fastball and then dropping a curve that buckles their knees.


I like trying to set up my punches off of other punches because I want a complete game but if something works well then I'll go back to it and that "calculated lunge" is something that has worked very well for me

[donnydarkoIRL]

Feinting the right cross is an easy way to "weave in"...it's like a pitcher throwing fastball after fastball and then dropping a curve that buckles their knees.


I like trying to set up my punches off of other punches because I want a complete game but if something works well then I'll go back to it and that "calculated lunge" is something that has worked very well for me

Obviuolsy you'd adjust, but what happens if yiou get into the habit of lunging and your opponent times you?

[Youngblood]

I just can't ever see where an outside opening uppercut would not be dangerous to someone's health.

I'm really working on incorporating my uppercut in now to different combinations. Like say jab-straight right-uppercut. Trying to work from head to body, then to uppercut, like say an overhand right-lefthook to body-uppercut. Trying to also get it as part of an inside offensive-defence for those shorter fighters that are good coming in.

I found as mentioned in an earlier thread my opening hook I was having so much fun with and landing at will soon got exposed as a weakness when I ran into a tall fighter. So I rarely ever open with it any more.

Who knows, maybe things will come full circle and I can get back to opening with it...the hook...but for now it is a finishing shot and more effective like that for me.

[El Kabong]

Obviuolsy you'd adjust, but what happens if yiou get into the habit of lunging and your opponent times you?

Well if you're feinting and you opponent keeps falling for it then it's going to be mighty hard for them to do.


Also for feints to be effective you cannot use the same moves over and over again. For my style of landing a haymaker left hook you need to set up the right cross and for the right cross to be effective it helps to have a good jab....I use both always.


I like to see what works for other fighters and impliment it in my own way...I have used some Tyson-esque combinations and head movement, I have used the Klitschko's swat down on the guard....they all work pretty well

[Andre]

Obviuolsy you'd adjust, but what happens if yiou get into the habit of lunging and your opponent times you?

Well if you're feinting and you opponent keeps falling for it then it's going to be mighty hard for them to do.


Also for feints to be effective you cannot use the same moves over and over again. For my style of landing a haymaker left hook you need to set up the right cross and for the right cross to be effective it helps to have a good jab....I use both always.


I like to see what works for other fighters and impliment it in my own way...I have used some Tyson-esque combinations and head movement, I have used the Klitschko's swat down on the guard....they all work pretty well

At the end of the day, anything can work in a ring if its implemented at the correct time. There can be a correct place/time for everything, if your mind is capable ,your body can follow. Cant think of a set situation where an outside uppercut from a distance would work in complete safety unless you were following his arm back in, or you were Forrest that time facing Mayorga who stuck his chin right out and put his hands behind his back.