Can guest's vote ?? if not then whoever voted Calzaghe must of just voted him for a laugh or do they really believe he could beat a prime Roy Jones Jr ?? thats shocking.Originally Posted by CFH
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Re: Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?
Can guest's vote ?? if not then whoever voted Calzaghe must of just voted him for a laugh or do they really believe he could beat a prime Roy Jones Jr ?? thats shocking.
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Re: Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?
Jones inactivity and rope a dope would always give Calzaghe the chance to work him over. This fight would not be as clear cut as most people think sure Jones looked good but against who? guys i would not even call tomato cans.
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Re: Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?
Heres the names he looked good against.
Thomas Tate
Thulani Malinga
James Toney
Montel Griffin 2
Mike McCallum
John Ruiz
Vinny Pazienza
Thomas Tate
Jorge Fernando Castro
Merqui Sosa
Virgil Hill
Reggie Johnson
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Clinton Woods
Please tell me if any of those names are bums ??
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Re: Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?
Heres the names he looked good against.
Thomas Tate
Thulani Malinga
James Toney
Montel Griffin 2
Mike McCallum
John Ruiz
Vinny Pazienza
Thomas Tate
Jorge Fernando Castro
Merqui Sosa
Virgil Hill
Reggie Johnson
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Clinton Woods
Please tell me if any of those names are bums ??
Mike McCallum 40yo 154lb fighter
Virgil Hill coming off a loss
Jorge Castro was not fought betweenm 97-03
Fighters like:
Lou De Vale
Otis Grant
Richard frazier
David Telesco
Richard Hall (Roids)
Eric Harding
Derrick Harmon
Glenn Kelly
All fighters that did not belong in the ring with him, both Hopkins and Calzaghes resume between 97-03 dwarfs Jones hell Otkkes does.
He had a few good fights against good fighters the rest were not in his league.
Re: Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?
McCallum was actually 39 years old stop reading off boxrec, and secondly he had some great performances at Light Heavyweight and didn't he give James Toney a tough fight after the Jones fight ?? so that proved he was still a good fighter, Virgil Hill had only lost to two fighters at that time, Thomas Hearns and he gave Hearns a good argument and Dariusz, who is one of the best Light Heavyweights of all time, didn't he make 22 title defenses ?? and wasn't Jones the only man to KO Hill ?? Castro was not fought between 97 03 ?? what does that mean ?? all i know is that Castro was a solid tough fighter who had 70+ fights at the time, and went on to have some good victories.Heres the names he looked good against.
Thomas Tate
Thulani Malinga
James Toney
Montel Griffin 2
Mike McCallum
John Ruiz
Vinny Pazienza
Thomas Tate
Jorge Fernando Castro
Merqui Sosa
Virgil Hill
Reggie Johnson
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Clinton Woods
Please tell me if any of those names are bums ??
Mike McCallum 40yo 154lb fighter
Virgil Hill coming off a loss
Jorge Castro was not fought betweenm 97-03
Fighters like:
Lou De Vale
Otis Grant
Richard frazier
David Telesco
Richard Hall (Roids)
Eric Harding
Derrick Harmon
Glenn Kelly
All fighters that did not belong in the ring with him, both Hopkins and Calzaghes resume between 97-03 dwarfs Jones hell Otkkes does.
He had a few good fights against good fighters the rest were not in his league.
Lou Del Valle was a good fighter his only loss prior to his fight with Jones was a close decision loss to Virgil Hill, Harding was a good fighter how the hell did he not belong in the ring with Jones ?? he was just coming off beating Antonio Tarver. They others aren't great i'll admit but Jones did fight many good/great fighters and beat them well, and i listed them above. Are you kidding me ?? regarding your last statement ?? lets compare there records to 1997 to 2003 then.
Jones best wins 1997 to 2003.
Montell Griffin
Reggie Johnson
Lou Del Valle
Eric Harding
Clinton Woods
Antonio Tarver
John Ruiz = accomplishment hadn't be done in 106 years.
Calzaghe's best wins 1997 to 2003, you slated Jones's opposition so now i'll give you some facts regarding Calzaghe's opposition.
Chris Eubank = Badly weight drained only had 1 week to prepare.
Robin Reid = Coming off a loss to 40+ Thulani Malinga.
Omar Sheika = Lost to a fighter with a bad losing record, got a robbery win against Glen Johnson.
Richie Woodhall = Coming off a loss to to Markus Beyer who had Woodhall on the canvas 3 times, and lets remember Beyer is a powderpuff hitter 35 wins 13 KO's.
Charles Brewer = Coming off a loss to Antwun Echols.
Byron Mitchell = Coming off a loss to Sven Ottke and recently struggled against Manny Siaca twice who had a record of 14-2.
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Re: Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?
Jones..... Not even an argument here
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Re: Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?
With both men at their respective best, Jones eats him alive.
I give Jones a halfway decent shot now, and he's nowhere near his peak.
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Re: Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?
McCallum was actually 39 years old stop reading off boxrec, and secondly he had some great performances at Light Heavyweight and didn't he give James Toney a tough fight after the Jones fight ?? so that proved he was still a good fighter, Virgil Hill had only lost to two fighters at that time, Thomas Hearns and he gave Hearns a good argument and Dariusz, who is one of the best Light Heavyweights of all time, didn't he make 22 title defenses ?? and wasn't Jones the only man to KO Hill ?? Castro was not fought between 97 03 ?? what does that mean ?? all i know is that Castro was a solid tough fighter who had 70+ fights at the time, and went on to have some good victories.
Mike McCallum 40yo 154lb fighter
Virgil Hill coming off a loss
Jorge Castro was not fought betweenm 97-03
Fighters like:
Lou De Vale
Otis Grant
Richard frazier
David Telesco
Richard Hall (Roids)
Eric Harding
Derrick Harmon
Glenn Kelly
All fighters that did not belong in the ring with him, both Hopkins and Calzaghes resume between 97-03 dwarfs Jones hell Otkkes does.
He had a few good fights against good fighters the rest were not in his league.
Lou Del Valle was a good fighter his only loss prior to his fight with Jones was a close decision loss to Virgil Hill, Harding was a good fighter how the hell did he not belong in the ring with Jones ?? he was just coming off beating Antonio Tarver. They others aren't great i'll admit but Jones did fight many good/great fighters and beat them well, and i listed them above. Are you kidding me ?? regarding your last statement ?? lets compare there records to 1997 to 2003 then.
Jones best wins 1997 to 2003.
Montell Griffin
Reggie Johnson
Lou Del Valle
Eric Harding
Clinton Woods
Antonio Tarver
John Ruiz = accomplishment hadn't be done in 106 years.
Calzaghe's best wins 1997 to 2003, you slated Jones's opposition so now i'll give you some facts regarding Calzaghe's opposition.
Chris Eubank = Badly weight drained only had 1 week to prepare.
Robin Reid = Coming off a loss to 40+ Thulani Malinga.
Omar Sheika = Lost to a fighter with a bad losing record, got a robbery win against Glen Johnson.
Richie Woodhall = Coming off a loss to to Markus Beyer who had Woodhall on the canvas 3 times, and lets remember Beyer is a powderpuff hitter 35 wins 13 KO's.
Charles Brewer = Coming off a loss to Antwun Echols.
Byron Mitchell = Coming off a loss to Sven Ottke and recently struggled against Manny Siaca twice who had a record of 14-2.
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Re: Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?
McCallum was actually 39 years old stop reading off boxrec, and secondly he had some great performances at Light Heavyweight and didn't he give James Toney a tough fight after the Jones fight ?? so that proved he was still a good fighter, Virgil Hill had only lost to two fighters at that time, Thomas Hearns and he gave Hearns a good argument and Dariusz, who is one of the best Light Heavyweights of all time, didn't he make 22 title defenses ?? and wasn't Jones the only man to KO Hill ?? Castro was not fought between 97 03 ?? what does that mean ?? all i know is that Castro was a solid tough fighter who had 70+ fights at the time, and went on to have some good victories.
Mike McCallum 40yo 154lb fighter
Virgil Hill coming off a loss
Jorge Castro was not fought betweenm 97-03
Fighters like:
Lou De Vale
Otis Grant
Richard frazier
David Telesco
Richard Hall (Roids)
Eric Harding
Derrick Harmon
Glenn Kelly
All fighters that did not belong in the ring with him, both Hopkins and Calzaghes resume between 97-03 dwarfs Jones hell Otkkes does.
He had a few good fights against good fighters the rest were not in his league.
Lou Del Valle was a good fighter his only loss prior to his fight with Jones was a close decision loss to Virgil Hill, Harding was a good fighter how the hell did he not belong in the ring with Jones ?? he was just coming off beating Antonio Tarver. They others aren't great i'll admit but Jones did fight many good/great fighters and beat them well, and i listed them above. Are you kidding me ?? regarding your last statement ?? lets compare there records to 1997 to 2003 then.
Jones best wins 1997 to 2003.
Montell Griffin
Reggie Johnson
Lou Del Valle
Eric Harding
Clinton Woods
Antonio Tarver
John Ruiz = accomplishment hadn't be done in 106 years.
Calzaghe's best wins 1997 to 2003, you slated Jones's opposition so now i'll give you some facts regarding Calzaghe's opposition.
Chris Eubank = Badly weight drained only had 1 week to prepare.
Robin Reid = Coming off a loss to 40+ Thulani Malinga.
Omar Sheika = Lost to a fighter with a bad losing record, got a robbery win against Glen Johnson.
Richie Woodhall = Coming off a loss to to Markus Beyer who had Woodhall on the canvas 3 times, and lets remember Beyer is a powderpuff hitter 35 wins 13 KO's.
Charles Brewer = Coming off a loss to Antwun Echols.
Byron Mitchell = Coming off a loss to Sven Ottke and recently struggled against Manny Siaca twice who had a record of 14-2.
Whos reading off boxrec? Mike Mccallum is one of my fav fighters.
Shieka beat Johnson fair and Mitchell was robbed against Ottke.
And lol Eubank had 1wk prep, Eubank was was sue to fight that night and had an 8wk camp lol. It was a change of opponent 3wks out to Joe Calzaghe.
You can pick holes in anyones resume but look at Roy Jones it is poor James Toney/ Bernard Hopkins aside really he lost to elite fighters. Dont want to hear about Calzaghe beat no-one when Jones resume is there for everyone to see.
And Calzaghe never failed a steroid test did he!
Jones is a great fighter but jeez peeps over-rate him.
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Re: Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?
You Sir need to take a breath , i have no idea were you are from or your age , but look at the poll reasults and see that most of the sane members think Jones wins hands down , over rate Jones ? he was a great fighter in his time , as for Calzaghe he is a fine fighter , but not an all time great with his remume , and to sum up , Jones beat Hopkins easily , Calzaghe got dropped and squeeked past Hopkins aged 43 .McCallum was actually 39 years old stop reading off boxrec, and secondly he had some great performances at Light Heavyweight and didn't he give James Toney a tough fight after the Jones fight ?? so that proved he was still a good fighter, Virgil Hill had only lost to two fighters at that time, Thomas Hearns and he gave Hearns a good argument and Dariusz, who is one of the best Light Heavyweights of all time, didn't he make 22 title defenses ?? and wasn't Jones the only man to KO Hill ?? Castro was not fought between 97 03 ?? what does that mean ?? all i know is that Castro was a solid tough fighter who had 70+ fights at the time, and went on to have some good victories.
Lou Del Valle was a good fighter his only loss prior to his fight with Jones was a close decision loss to Virgil Hill, Harding was a good fighter how the hell did he not belong in the ring with Jones ?? he was just coming off beating Antonio Tarver. They others aren't great i'll admit but Jones did fight many good/great fighters and beat them well, and i listed them above. Are you kidding me ?? regarding your last statement ?? lets compare there records to 1997 to 2003 then.
Jones best wins 1997 to 2003.
Montell Griffin
Reggie Johnson
Lou Del Valle
Eric Harding
Clinton Woods
Antonio Tarver
John Ruiz = accomplishment hadn't be done in 106 years.
Calzaghe's best wins 1997 to 2003, you slated Jones's opposition so now i'll give you some facts regarding Calzaghe's opposition.
Chris Eubank = Badly weight drained only had 1 week to prepare.
Robin Reid = Coming off a loss to 40+ Thulani Malinga.
Omar Sheika = Lost to a fighter with a bad losing record, got a robbery win against Glen Johnson.
Richie Woodhall = Coming off a loss to to Markus Beyer who had Woodhall on the canvas 3 times, and lets remember Beyer is a powderpuff hitter 35 wins 13 KO's.
Charles Brewer = Coming off a loss to Antwun Echols.
Byron Mitchell = Coming off a loss to Sven Ottke and recently struggled against Manny Siaca twice who had a record of 14-2.
Whos reading off boxrec? Mike Mccallum is one of my fav fighters.
Shieka beat Johnson fair and Mitchell was robbed against Ottke.
And lol Eubank had 1wk prep, Eubank was was sue to fight that night and had an 8wk camp lol. It was a change of opponent 3wks out to Joe Calzaghe.
You can pick holes in anyones resume but look at Roy Jones it is poor James Toney/ Bernard Hopkins aside really he lost to elite fighters. Dont want to hear about Calzaghe beat no-one when Jones resume is there for everyone to see.
And Calzaghe never failed a steroid test did he!
Jones is a great fighter but jeez peeps over-rate him.
I here by rest my case.
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Re: Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?
Possible - also possible that you under-rate him.
Re: Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?
No Sheika did not beat Johnson fair and square try watching the fight first before you comment on it, it was a highly controversial decision in which many people thought Johnson won which is a fact. I think you need to check up on your history Eubank was to fight at Cruiserweight if i remember rightly ?? then he was told on 1 week notice that he had to fight Calzaghe, and he had to lose 20 pounds in 1 week leaving himself badly weight drained. And how can you say poor James Toney ?? he was one of the top 3 P4P fighters at that time, and Bernard Hopkins was more experienced than Jones was so i don't want to hear that Hopkins was green excuse. I don't overrate Jones i call it as i see it he dominated good/great fighters, and hardly ever lost a round and never looked being beaten. Calzaghe has looked beatable in many fights and he certainly hasn't got the X Factor that Jones has. Even die hard Calzaghe fans realize Jones was an amazing fighter in his prime love him or hate him that is a fact.McCallum was actually 39 years old stop reading off boxrec, and secondly he had some great performances at Light Heavyweight and didn't he give James Toney a tough fight after the Jones fight ?? so that proved he was still a good fighter, Virgil Hill had only lost to two fighters at that time, Thomas Hearns and he gave Hearns a good argument and Dariusz, who is one of the best Light Heavyweights of all time, didn't he make 22 title defenses ?? and wasn't Jones the only man to KO Hill ?? Castro was not fought between 97 03 ?? what does that mean ?? all i know is that Castro was a solid tough fighter who had 70+ fights at the time, and went on to have some good victories.
Lou Del Valle was a good fighter his only loss prior to his fight with Jones was a close decision loss to Virgil Hill, Harding was a good fighter how the hell did he not belong in the ring with Jones ?? he was just coming off beating Antonio Tarver. They others aren't great i'll admit but Jones did fight many good/great fighters and beat them well, and i listed them above. Are you kidding me ?? regarding your last statement ?? lets compare there records to 1997 to 2003 then.
Jones best wins 1997 to 2003.
Montell Griffin
Reggie Johnson
Lou Del Valle
Eric Harding
Clinton Woods
Antonio Tarver
John Ruiz = accomplishment hadn't be done in 106 years.
Calzaghe's best wins 1997 to 2003, you slated Jones's opposition so now i'll give you some facts regarding Calzaghe's opposition.
Chris Eubank = Badly weight drained only had 1 week to prepare.
Robin Reid = Coming off a loss to 40+ Thulani Malinga.
Omar Sheika = Lost to a fighter with a bad losing record, got a robbery win against Glen Johnson.
Richie Woodhall = Coming off a loss to to Markus Beyer who had Woodhall on the canvas 3 times, and lets remember Beyer is a powderpuff hitter 35 wins 13 KO's.
Charles Brewer = Coming off a loss to Antwun Echols.
Byron Mitchell = Coming off a loss to Sven Ottke and recently struggled against Manny Siaca twice who had a record of 14-2.
Whos reading off boxrec? Mike Mccallum is one of my fav fighters.
Shieka beat Johnson fair and Mitchell was robbed against Ottke.
And lol Eubank had 1wk prep, Eubank was was sue to fight that night and had an 8wk camp lol. It was a change of opponent 3wks out to Joe Calzaghe.
You can pick holes in anyones resume but look at Roy Jones it is poor James Toney/ Bernard Hopkins aside really he lost to elite fighters. Dont want to hear about Calzaghe beat no-one when Jones resume is there for everyone to see.
And Calzaghe never failed a steroid test did he!
Jones is a great fighter but jeez peeps over-rate him.
And i didn't see you counter any of the points i stated regarding Calzaghe's opposition, that must mean you agree then ??
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Re: Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?
Eric Harding, a light punching nobody, made Jones scared just by doing nothing. If he hadn't given up because a bicep injury he maby would have won. Bogus.McCallum was actually 39 years old stop reading off boxrec, and secondly he had some great performances at Light Heavyweight and didn't he give James Toney a tough fight after the Jones fight ?? so that proved he was still a good fighter, Virgil Hill had only lost to two fighters at that time, Thomas Hearns and he gave Hearns a good argument and Dariusz, who is one of the best Light Heavyweights of all time, didn't he make 22 title defenses ?? and wasn't Jones the only man to KO Hill ?? Castro was not fought between 97 03 ?? what does that mean ?? all i know is that Castro was a solid tough fighter who had 70+ fights at the time, and went on to have some good victories.
Mike McCallum 40yo 154lb fighter
Virgil Hill coming off a loss
Jorge Castro was not fought betweenm 97-03
Fighters like:
Lou De Vale
Otis Grant
Richard frazier
David Telesco
Richard Hall (Roids)
Eric Harding
Derrick Harmon
Glenn Kelly
All fighters that did not belong in the ring with him, both Hopkins and Calzaghes resume between 97-03 dwarfs Jones hell Otkkes does.
He had a few good fights against good fighters the rest were not in his league.
Lou Del Valle was a good fighter his only loss prior to his fight with Jones was a close decision loss to Virgil Hill, Harding was a good fighter how the hell did he not belong in the ring with Jones ?? he was just coming off beating Antonio Tarver. They others aren't great i'll admit but Jones did fight many good/great fighters and beat them well, and i listed them above. Are you kidding me ?? regarding your last statement ?? lets compare there records to 1997 to 2003 then.
Jones best wins 1997 to 2003.
Montell Griffin
Reggie Johnson
Lou Del Valle
Eric Harding
Clinton Woods
Antonio Tarver
John Ruiz = accomplishment hadn't be done in 106 years.
Calzaghe's best wins 1997 to 2003, you slated Jones's opposition so now i'll give you some facts regarding Calzaghe's opposition.
Chris Eubank = Badly weight drained only had 1 week to prepare.
Robin Reid = Coming off a loss to 40+ Thulani Malinga.
Omar Sheika = Lost to a fighter with a bad losing record, got a robbery win against Glen Johnson.
Richie Woodhall = Coming off a loss to to Markus Beyer who had Woodhall on the canvas 3 times, and lets remember Beyer is a powderpuff hitter 35 wins 13 KO's.
Charles Brewer = Coming off a loss to Antwun Echols.
Byron Mitchell = Coming off a loss to Sven Ottke and recently struggled against Manny Siaca twice who had a record of 14-2.
McCallum? The guy was 39 and had a belly like he was in 5-month of pregnancy.
Virgil Hill was a decent fighter, but a light punching technician who was a bad match (from his point of view) for Jones. And who did he hang well with? Tommy Hearns? The guy was 40 and five divisions up from his original welterweight.
Lou del Valle? please! Is this the guy that lost to Bruno Girard?
The only reason why he did become the first Heavyweight champion that started from middleweight, in 106 years, is because he fought the worst heavyweight champion in 106 years. And when Lennox Lewis was mentioned Jones lost 20 pounds out of shear fear, so he was forced to go back to light-heavyweight. The only two honorable mentions on his record are James Toney ( a great win that made him famous 9 and Bernard Hopkins who was one dimensional at the time. He later offered to fight Jones on many occasions but Jones backed out. There are plenty of fighters who could have dominated their respective divisions making fools out of lesser opponents (Molsey, de la Hoya, Barrera) but they took up challenges and sometimes lost. Is being a cautious/chicken good thing these days.
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Re: Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?
Good points and this where Calzaghe has proved his worth, after 10 years of being champ he took on his most dangerous opponent in Kessler.
Mikkel was in his twenties at the top of his game, was a unified champ and alot of people thought that with all Kesslers plus's and Joes age and time at the top that it was gonna be Joes turn to lose but he proved he is a great by piissing all over Kessler.
Jones aint got a hope in hell of beating Calzaghe, in fact I give him a genuinely better chance of beating Sam Peter than Joe Calzaghe
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Re: Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?
Heres the names he looked good against.
Thomas Tate
Thulani Malinga
James Toney
Montel Griffin 2
Mike McCallum
John Ruiz
Vinny Pazienza
Thomas Tate
Jorge Fernando Castro
Merqui Sosa
Virgil Hill
Reggie Johnson
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Clinton Woods
Please tell me if any of those names are bums ??
Mike McCallum 40yo 154lb fighter
Virgil Hill coming off a loss
Jorge Castro was not fought betweenm 97-03
Fighters like:
Lou De Vale
Otis Grant
Richard frazier
David Telesco
Richard Hall (Roids)
Eric Harding
Derrick Harmon
Glenn Kelly
All fighters that did not belong in the ring with him, both Hopkins and Calzaghes resume between 97-03 dwarfs Jones hell Otkkes does.
He had a few good fights against good fighters the rest were not in his league.
Exactly, Calzage is still doing his thing, he has never come close to losing, e would outwork Jones.
Jones didnt like getting hit and anyone who put pressure on him made him go in to his shell, unfortunately the fighters he fought werent on the same level as Calzaghe determination wise, they got scared of Jones speed but when they did put pressure on Jones would cover up and shy away on the ropes.
We all know that Joe can keep the pace all night and the punches just keep raining in, he doesnt just throw whatever he can hoping for the best and then tire like Bryant Brannon, or wait for openings and giving Roy the time and space to work at his own pace like Toney.
Joe sets the pace, makes Roy think and hide and outworks him
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