Legion, do you have one of these in your collection?

[LEGION]

No Clubberr; no vipers inmy collection. A very, very popular snake to keep; but the vipers just don't do anything for me. They actually make me nervous and I like a more active snake.

Gaboons have the largest fangs of any in the world, and getting hit by one is like getting slammed with a nail gun. Hemotoxic and neurotxic venom; and from what I hear from some people who got tagged by one, about the most painful bite you could take. 2 inch long fangs, and the venom gets so deep in tissue, even with quick antivenin you'll have some damage. No antivenin and you will die, and if you don't some sh#t will be rotting and falling off. Beautiful animals, but not my cup of tea. You can buy them for about $60 as they are flooding the market, but not for the novice.

I like their heads, remind me of the monster in Predator. I suppose I could have just said "no" to your question, but I prefer to act like a know it all

[LEGION]

Hey Clubber, go to youtube and put in "The Gabby Show" or " Dining with Gabby". I can't imbed the vieos because Al doesn't allow it. This guy has one of the best collections in the states, and makes my collection look silly. You can watch him feeding his Gaboon's. And if you want to see what kind of sound a pissed off Gaboon viper makes, put "Beast from the East" in and watch.

[LEGION]

Also, if you want to see something funny, put in "King Size Surprise". It's 10 minutes, but try to get through to about the 8 1/2 minute point and watch from there. It's scary but funny as sh#t.

[Douglas]

Hey, don't worry about sounding like a know-it-all.

They said getting bit by a Gaboon was like sticking your hand (or whereever you got bitten) in a fire and not being able to pull it out.

[LEGION]

Hey, don't worry about sounding like a know-it-all.

They said getting bit by a Gaboon was like sticking your hand (or whereever you got bitten) in a fire and not being able to pull it out.

You saw that Seven Deadly Strikes show didn't you? Did you catch Austin getting bit by the snouted cobra? He's so stupid.

[Von Milash]

So Legion,

you'll keep a king cobra but no vipers? Plus, how the hell did you get involved with snakes? Are you a herpatologist and work at a zoo or something? And do you keep them in your house? What kinds do you have?

Personally, I think all exotic animals should be outlawed, because even though there are highly trained people out there, which I'll assume you are one of, the vast majority are those who aren't trained to handle them. Then they end up in the sewer system or whatever.

Your thoughts? (Educate me)

[LEGION]

So Legion,

you'll keep a king cobra but no vipers? Plus, how the hell did you get involved with snakes? Are you a herpatologist and work at a zoo or something? And do you keep them in your house? What kinds do you have?

Personally, I think all exotic animals should be outlawed, because even though there are highly trained people out there, which I'll assume you are one of, the vast majority are those who aren't trained to handle them. Then they end up in the sewer system or whatever.

Your thoughts? (Educate me)

I'll try to break down your post

Yes, I will keep a king cobra over a viper anyday. I like elapids, not vipers. Just my preference. Actually more peole like vipers{especially arboreals} than they do elapids{cobras, kraits, etc.} I have had quite a few rattlesnakes and copperheads, etc., but they just sit there. They are ambush predators, so they tend to sit around and "wait" for their meals. Elapids are active, aggressive hunters, so they are more appealing to me in captivity, and it is fun watching them feed. It's all personal preference.

Also, I don't like the venom vipers have. Though all my cobras have more toxic venom, its composition is much different. I would rather get tagged by one of my cape cobras than say a rattlesnake. Most vipers have tissue destroying venom and having body parts rot off or having to have a fasciotomy to save a limb is not something I want to chance. I'd rather twitch to death and suffocate than watch my skin drip away. Most of my friends in the hobby think I'm stupid for that opinion, but so be it. I just don't like vipers.

I don't work at a zoo. I was catching rattlesnakes and moccasins or copperheads when I was a little kid. My parents thought I was crazy when I'd come home at 9 years old with a copperhead stuck in my backpack. As far as keeping exotic, I had some mentoring but most was just common sense and already having experience with dangerous reptiles from an early age. I keep mine in the house in a secured bedroom; in very secure, large cages. As far as you believing all exotics should be banned, I disagree{you know I would}. As long as you have the proper training and set-up, there should be no concern. Most of the people in this hobby are very particular who gets these animals, and you have to have references before 99% of them will entertain the idea of selling something to you. There are always people who get by these barriers, but there are always exceptions to the rules. There are plenty of groups trying to outlaw exotics, but that's fine, I'll just keep them illegally. Banning something doesn't stop it from happening and it just creates more problems in the long run; i.e. prohibition. abortion, etc. I'm not hurting anyone, I have my permits, and I'm responsible. I don't see the problem. I understand your concerns, but how often do you hear about somebody letting their venomous snakes go wild? It happens but most of them die within a month anyways. If you had a rottweiler and I didn't like it I shouldn't be able to have it taken from you because I saw some irresponsible owners. I do however believe there should be strict laws in heavily populated areas. I live in the country, no neighbors, but I could understand people's concerns in a suburban type setting.

Florida is where all venomous snakes are brought into the country at. There you have to have 1000 hours of mentoring before you can have a permit to keep them. There are thousands of keepers there, but yet there are rarely problems because of the precautions taken. The bad cases usually involve the pythons and boa constrictors. Anyone can buy one and when they get too big; they let them go. They can totally disrupt the eco system as it is placing a new predator into an already over taxed ecosystem. They are trying to ban, as we speak, all exotic constrictors. What they should do is simple: the same requirement that venomous keepers are beholding to.

Anyways, I have really gone off now, pheeeeew, sorry. Don't worry though Von Milash, I wasn't planning on askng you to spend the night with me Like I said, I'll keep them legally{which it is here in Texas} or illegally. F#ck the government. I'm not hurting anyone and I'm entitled to endanger my own life. Getting in my car going to the store is more dangerous IMO than having these animals. If I get bit, so be it; if I die I die.

[Von Milash]

ok, ok some valid pints. if you're well trained and have taken all the precautions, great. I can only hope that people out there are both responsible and sensible enough to not let an animal like this, ie deadly, get into the hands of a novice. as well, if you're in a rural area, even better. i guess as i see it, my bigger concern was endangering people in suburban settings. as you're surely very well aware, it only takes one little fuck up, then the handler is dead, the snake is out and some little kid is in trouble for playing in the park.

and yes, you hear far more tales of the constrictors causing harm. everyone handles them like they love their owner, and then wap, you're in a rear naked choke, tapping out. Trouble is, Big John McCarthy aint there to save your sorry ass.