is PAC a 5 division titlist or 4? please vote :)

[Pavlik]

Barrera was the man at 126lbs when they fought, So why can't that be considered his 5th. Why not label him a 5 time champion he did beat 5 champions.

Regarding PAC-JMM rivalry regardless on how many rounds JMM won over PAC, the fact remains those 4 knockdowns and countless wobbles that PAC scored vs JMM matters and they did happen to eek out a win on both fights.

[Mr140]

Well if manny won a belt there he jsut be called a belt holder if he did not beat the cahmp there.

[Pavlik]

if belt holder is different from champ then floyd should just be considered a 4 division champ because carlos baldomir/ judah isnt exactly a "CHAMP".
But I'd credit PBF for his lightmiddleweight title in ODLH, light welter belt in fighting Hatton(although it was in welter) and lightweight titles. But his welter status is highyl questionable considering it was a deep division.

[Julius Rain]

I been wondering about this for a few weeks now and I have come to my conclusion.....Pac is a Living Legend! forget how many title he has won. Nobody has ever done what he is doing. from 106-135 and maybe to 140. Plus the lowest division is even more harder to go up in weight. Pac is living definition of pound for pound, and he still has his speed and punching power which is unheard of AND he is adding more boxing skills after skills even now that his a lightweight

[pacfan]

I been wondering about this for a few weeks now and I have come to my conclusion.....Pac is a Living Legend! forget how many title he has won. Nobody has ever done what he is doing. from 106-135 and maybe to 140. Plus the lowest division is even more harder to go up in weight. Pac is living definition of pound for pound, and he still has his speed and punching power which is unheard of AND he is adding more boxing skills after skills even now that his a lightweight

Absolutely right. Pac has bypassed some other divisions which he could've easily taken if he wanted, and if he did, he would've easily surpassed 5 division title hold; so this debate of 'how many division titles(?)' doesn't mean much. Besides, the battle-line here has been drawn long time ago, where almost everyone votes in a very boringly predictable manner, not that it's bad though cuz we're all just fans first and foremost before we are objective boxing analysts. As one of the original member here, I think mironlang knows this more than any of us, he's been thru the worst of it here.

[Lance Uppercut]

This is really a debate about whether you accept The Ring Magazine Title or whether you only accept the alphabet belts as real.

The Ring keeps track of lineage: the man who beat the man who beat the man- much like boxing was pre-1980's. Post 1980's boxing has turned into "every body gets a belt for anything"

Manny Pac's featherweight championship was for the True lineal Featherweight title. Is that worth less then the paper belts that Jose Sulliman hands out like candy?