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    Default Re: Will Hatton be an all time great?

    Quote Originally Posted by gudnite vienna View Post
    lets b honest if hatton beat Pac and Paulie then he has been one the most dominant fighter at 140 ever.. and thats fact.. does that not make you an all time great
    Why would beating Paulie and Pac ,ake him the most dominant 140 fighter ever. The other 3 great 140 fighters, Tszyu, JCC and Prior would have all eaten Paulie and Pac alive at 140.

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    Default Re: Will Hatton be an all time great?

    Quote Originally Posted by eagle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gudnite vienna View Post
    lets b honest if hatton beat Pac and Paulie then he has been one the most dominant fighter at 140 ever.. and thats fact.. does that not make you an all time great
    Why would beating Paulie and Pac ,ake him the most dominant 140 fighter ever. The other 3 great 140 fighters, Tszyu, JCC and Prior would have all eaten Paulie and Pac alive at 140.
    Amen.

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    Default Re: Will Hatton be an all time great?

    NO!

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    Default Re: Will Hatton be an all time great?

    Quote Originally Posted by gudnite vienna View Post
    Ricky has now said that its two more fights then out.. I think he will beat paulie easily to be honest, and then that leave Pac or Oscar... For me it has to be Pac, Oscar is too big and a win over pac now would do more for Rickys status...

    Just wondered, if he fights and beats both Paulie and Pac then retires, would you consider him an all time great?

    He has only ever lost once to the P4P no.1 so no discrase there, and has beat everyone he could ov at 140.. i think its a pitty that the 140 division has gone a bit dry since Cotto, mayweather etc moved up.. Ricky just cant cut it at 147 and i honestly feel that Hatton could ov beat cotto at 140 and certainly given Mayweather a better fight.
    Well he can be ATG depending how long your willing to make a list in order to be able to list him.
    I mean TOP 100 ATG

    Thing is he burtst onto the scene like someone had lite a fire cracker in his arse since then he's had mediocre performances he's been flat. The one outstanding performance came against JLC and if you dig back I predicted JLC wouldn't make it past 5. JLC was a corpse then and if JLC keeps fighting it's shame cause if he was a corpse then he's probably just bones now.

    If Hattons serious about 2/3 more fights depending on those fights will be how far his legacy goes.

    He is most def. a UK All Time Great that is for certain and I'm sure he's happy with that.
    As long as his people recognize him and treat 'em like one of the boys he'll be fine.

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    Default Re: Will Hatton be an all time great?

    Hatton hasn't done enough in my book to be an all time great, he is one of Britains finest though.

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    Default Re: Will Hatton be an all time great?

    No.
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    I think after all is said and done, he will be up there, if he hangs around and keeps fighting the top guys at lww, you can't deny him. Not everyone can be multiple weight division champs, come now his only loss was to "Money" Mayweather.

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    Default Re: Will Hatton be an all time great?

    He could clean up LWW and retire unified, now that would be a nice cherry on top.

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    Default Re: Will Hatton be an all time great?

    Don't think so.. His resume ain't that good to be called an ATG.

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    Default Re: Will Hatton be an all time great?

    I agree - no way an all time great. Not had enough significant wins against other main guys in their prime.

    Even if he beats Pac it won't change anything. A win over Mayweather is only way he could get back to be considered for that status - and that is not going to happen end of - even if a rematch takes place

    Had he beaten Mayweather then maybe - but then again Honeyghan beat Curry didn't he...

    An all time British great ? Yes Hatton is definitely that. Hall of fame without a doubt.

    But sadly not an ATG.

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    Default Re: Will Hatton be an all time great?

    How many fights he fought at top flight? and who are they? Then that will define his status in the ALL TIME GREAT LIST.
    So now lets take a look at Hattons record..

    1- 45 fights (44 wins,31 by KO, 1 loss only)
    (loss to FM for the WBC WW)

    2- who's who in those 44 wins? How many championship level fights?
    Championship level (title on the line or eliminator)
    WBC,WBA,IBF,WBO,lets include RING

    top level opposition:

    -all started with the IBF eliminator Michael Stewart(36-2-2)LWW
    -Kostya Tszyu(31-1-0)IBF LWW
    -Carlos Maussa(20-2-0)IBF WBA LWW
    -Luis Collazo(26-1-0)WBA WW
    -Juan Urango(17-0-1)IBF LWW
    -Jose Luis Castillo(55-7-1) LWW
    -Floyd Mayweather Jr(38-0-0) WBC WW
    -Juan Lazcano(37-4-1)LWW

    3 - How long has he been in the top flight? 3-4YEARS
    4- How many fights since? 7fights
    5- record since? 6 WINS , 1 LOSS
    6- How many sure future hall of famers he fought? 2 maybe(tszyu&fm)
    (for more see his record at boxrec)

    The C.V. of Mr. Hatton speak for itself. Now judge if he is an ALL TIME GREAT. Please don't argue with reasons of conspiracy like PAST THEIR PRIME or MOVING UP DIVISION or ETC ETC... A win is A WIN and A loss is A LOSS. Now compare his C.V. to all other active fighters right now. look at lightweight-l.welter-welter fighters.

    Are you impress with his record and consider him an all time great or not?

    PEACE

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    Default Re: Will Hatton be an all time great?

    Quote Originally Posted by antimoron View Post
    How many fights he fought at top flight? and who are they? Then that will define his status in the ALL TIME GREAT LIST.
    So now lets take a look at Hattons record..

    1- 45 fights (44 wins,31 by KO, 1 loss only)
    (loss to FM for the WBC WW)

    2- who's who in those 44 wins? How many championship level fights?
    Championship level (title on the line or eliminator)
    WBC,WBA,IBF,WBO,lets include RING

    top level opposition:

    -all started with the IBF eliminator Michael Stewart(36-2-2)LWW
    -Kostya Tszyu(31-1-0)IBF LWW
    -Carlos Maussa(20-2-0)IBF WBA LWW
    -Luis Collazo(26-1-0)WBA WW
    -Juan Urango(17-0-1)IBF LWW
    -Jose Luis Castillo(55-7-1) LWW
    -Floyd Mayweather Jr(38-0-0) WBC WW
    -Juan Lazcano(37-4-1)LWW

    3 - How long has he been in the top flight? 3-4YEARS
    4- How many fights since? 7fights
    5- record since? 6 WINS , 1 LOSS
    6- How many sure future hall of famers he fought? 2 maybe(tszyu&fm)
    (for more see his record at boxrec)

    The C.V. of Mr. Hatton speak for itself. Now judge if he is an ALL TIME GREAT. Please don't argue with reasons of conspiracy like PAST THEIR PRIME or MOVING UP DIVISION or ETC ETC... A win is A WIN and A loss is A LOSS. Now compare his C.V. to all other active fighters right now. look at lightweight-l.welter-welter fighters.

    Are you impress with his record and consider him an all time great or not?

    PEACE
    Active Fighters Right Now

    Manny Pacquiao:
    -Erik Moralesx3
    -Marco Antonio Barrerax2
    -Juan Manuel Marquez x2

    (No need to explain their accomplishments)

    Miguel Cotto:
    -Antonio Margarito
    -Shane Mosley
    -Zab Judah
    -Carlos Quintana
    -Paulie Malignaggi
    -Ricardo Torres
    -Demarcus Corley

    Oscar De La Hoya:
    -Floyd Mayweather
    -Ricardo Mayorga
    -Bernard Hopkins
    -Shane Mosley
    -Felix Trinidad
    -Oba Carr
    -Ike Quartey
    -Julio Cesar Chavez
    -Arturo Gatti
    -Fernando Vargas
    -Pernell Whitaker

    If you'd like, I could name more C.V.s from Mosley, Hopkins, Winky, Trinidad, Casamayor, all of whom have more impressive competition than Hatton.

    PEACE!

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    Default Re: Will Hatton be an all time great?

    Quote Originally Posted by caleoh12 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by antimoron View Post
    How many fights he fought at top flight? and who are they? Then that will define his status in the ALL TIME GREAT LIST.
    So now lets take a look at Hattons record..

    1- 45 fights (44 wins,31 by KO, 1 loss only)
    (loss to FM for the WBC WW)

    2- who's who in those 44 wins? How many championship level fights?
    Championship level (title on the line or eliminator)
    WBC,WBA,IBF,WBO,lets include RING

    top level opposition:

    -all started with the IBF eliminator Michael Stewart(36-2-2)LWW
    -Kostya Tszyu(31-1-0)IBF LWW
    -Carlos Maussa(20-2-0)IBF WBA LWW
    -Luis Collazo(26-1-0)WBA WW
    -Juan Urango(17-0-1)IBF LWW
    -Jose Luis Castillo(55-7-1) LWW
    -Floyd Mayweather Jr(38-0-0) WBC WW
    -Juan Lazcano(37-4-1)LWW

    3 - How long has he been in the top flight? 3-4YEARS
    4- How many fights since? 7fights
    5- record since? 6 WINS , 1 LOSS
    6- How many sure future hall of famers he fought? 2 maybe(tszyu&fm)
    (for more see his record at boxrec)

    The C.V. of Mr. Hatton speak for itself. Now judge if he is an ALL TIME GREAT. Please don't argue with reasons of conspiracy like PAST THEIR PRIME or MOVING UP DIVISION or ETC ETC... A win is A WIN and A loss is A LOSS. Now compare his C.V. to all other active fighters right now. look at lightweight-l.welter-welter fighters.

    Are you impress with his record and consider him an all time great or not?

    PEACE
    Active Fighters Right Now

    Manny Pacquiao:
    -Erik Moralesx3
    -Marco Antonio Barrerax2
    -Juan Manuel Marquez x2

    (No need to explain their accomplishments)

    Miguel Cotto:
    -Antonio Margarito
    -Shane Mosley
    -Zab Judah
    -Carlos Quintana
    -Paulie Malignaggi
    -Ricardo Torres
    -Demarcus Corley

    Oscar De La Hoya:
    -Floyd Mayweather
    -Ricardo Mayorga
    -Bernard Hopkins
    -Shane Mosley
    -Felix Trinidad
    -Oba Carr
    -Ike Quartey
    -Julio Cesar Chavez
    -Arturo Gatti
    -Fernando Vargas
    -Pernell Whitaker

    If you'd like, I could name more C.V.s from Mosley, Hopkins, Winky, Trinidad, Casamayor, all of whom have more impressive competition than Hatton.

    PEACE!
    Thanks mate for the list. That's why im still not impress with Hatton's record. He was a little overhype to my opinion... im sorry but that's what i see... He's not yet there but he can change it by taking significant fights.

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