Who is the unluckiest fighter of recent times??

[CutMeMick]

Who is the most unlucky fight around, there are few guys who come to mind who if just given the right fights or not had some poor decisions go against them they could have been so much more

A few names to get going..

John Ruiz - He has had a lot of opportunities and yes he is not the best guy to watch but 5 of his 7 losses have been desperately close points decisions and he also has a draw. If those decisions had gone his way he could be a lot richer than he is an be held in a much higher light.

David Tua - Despite an impressive record of 49-3-1 he has only ever had 1 title shot

Glen Johnson - Lost so many fights he should have won, should be financially secure but still has to fight on at the age of 40

Vitali Tyspko - Robbed against Jeff Lacy a fight that could have lifted him into contention, also lost a desperately close decision against Chanet in his home town (France). Avoided fighter who is now running out of time at 32.

Josua Clottey - Only now at 31 is he finally getting some recognition, was beating Margarito until hampered by a hand injury and Disqualified against Baldomir his only two loses, 34-2 but only ever had 1 title shot.

Michael Jennings - 33-1 only loss by split decision, (debatable) never given an opportunity to step up in class despite being capable, now 30 years old and on the slide

Ajose Olusegun - One of the most talented guys around, but is just not being given the right fights, what for his name because as soon as he does he will shock the world, 28 needs a big fight before it is too late.

Sergio Gabriel Martinez - Record of 43-1-1 his only loss to Antonio Margarito, won an IBF eliminator back in April 07, since had 4 wins and still no title shot, currently on an unbeaten run of 27 fights, not lost in 8 years, one of the most avoided guys around.

Chris John - Unbeaten in 42 fights, beaten fighter such as Juan Manuel Marquez, but never even mentioned in any P4P lists, still not been given a big fight in the States

Gerry Pensola - Finally getting some recognition for the 35 year old 2 weight world champion 4 of his 6 losses were by split decision.

To be clear though, sometimes these fighters are not willing to meet half way and they spent most of the time fighting once a year waiting for the right opponent/money. Then they cry wolf that no one wants to fight them. Then you also have management/promoters who also are content with the fighters making them good money fighting the same type of fighters and making money off the name that they build locally.

I mean Chris John doesn't want to leave his backyard. JMM had to take his ass over there due to bad management also. So you see it's a mixture of several things.

David Tua, the opp. were there for him yrs. ago and he just never applied himself. Got careless and out of shape I think he just deflated after the Lennox lost cause after that he lost to Byrd, then he tried to rebuild and got a Draw with Hasim and after that yrs. had passed by and it wasn't the same. Inactivity.

[amat]

I agree Mick most of these guys have themselves to blame. John included. Not all of them but a lot. Ruiz is a shit fighter and if he didn't give a certain amount of his purse to the sanctioning bodies he would never have sniffed more then a single title shot. I would consider him lucky to have had as many opportunities as he's had.

Clottey didn't lose because of his hand. May have contributed but he lost to the better fighter, that is one of the most overblown excuses in a single fight I have ever heard.

Martinez as far as I know has never signed with a promoter in his career. Given him a lot more keep and made him more financially secure but consequently has never had that big shot. He does deserve it though but if you want to work without a promoter you have to have a bigger name then his.

Winky Wright is unlucky but will still be remembered as great, no doubt. But for all intensive purposes he should be a 3 weight Ring Magazine champion imo. But he's made plenty of money and has been living the good life for quite a while since his globetrotting days.

I love Glen Johnson, but he knew the risks each time he stepped in another fighter's backyard. Much less after 2,3,4 or 5 robberies. He's got like 8 on his record. He knows the deal but he's a good guy and represents everything right about boxing in a way.

[CutMeMick]

the marquez brothers deserve a mention both came within a whisker of greatness and just failed!!

Sometimes I wonder when I read your posts how much boxing you've actually seen and how much you currently see.

You mean to tell me that you think that both JMM & Rafa are NOT 2 of the greatest fighters of this generation?

The 1st brother duo to be Top 10 P4P and the..... You know what?
Before I waste any time and text here. I'd would really like to read you supporting facts to this and why you feel that neither guy is a great fighter. Whenever your ready I'm all

Heres both guys records so you don't have to go to BoxRec and look them up. Let me know if you need to see any one of their fights and I'll gladly up load them for you.

JMM: Juan Manuel Marquez

Rafa: Rafael Marquez

[Violent Demise]

Joel Casamayor. He's been robbed of 4 wins in his career.

[amat]

Joel Casamayor. He's been robbed of 4 wins in his career.

This is true, with those 4 wins he would undoubtedly be remembered as one of the greatest of the generaton but sadly not sure that is going to be the case especially if he loses a cashout bout to Marquez.

[Dizaster]

I think Zab is also unlucky. Perhaps a bit of bad career management as well.. But he is someone with a tonne of talent that has faded off into the distance, when he should still be up there..

[Violent Demise]

Joel Casamayor. He's been robbed of 4 wins in his career.

This is true, with those 4 wins he would undoubtedly be remembered as one of the greatest of the generaton but sadly not sure that is going to be the case especially if he loses a cashout bout to Marquez.

As great as Marquez is, he ain't beating Casamayor

[El Kabong]

Golota: 2 times DQ'd vs Bowe, Destroyed by Lewis, Tyson, and Brewster, was given a draw with Chris Byrd and a decision loss vs Ruiz both guys I thought he beat.


....but then again he's Polish and kind of made his own bed with the losses to Bowe, Tyson, and Brewster....he never was going to beat Lewis

[killersheep]

I think Ike Quartey has to be up there.

[CutMeMick]

Whenever your ready hattonthehammer....

the marquez brothers deserve a mention both came within a whisker of greatness and just failed!!

Sometimes I wonder when I read your posts how much boxing you've actually seen and how much you currently see.

You mean to tell me that you think that both JMM & Rafa are NOT 2 of the greatest fighters of this generation?

The 1st brother duo to be Top 10 P4P and the..... You know what?
Before I waste any time and text here. I'd would really like to read you supporting facts to this and why you feel that neither guy is a great fighter. Whenever your ready I'm all

Heres both guys records so you don't have to go to BoxRec and look them up. Let me know if you need to see any one of their fights and I'll gladly up load them for you.

JMM: Juan Manuel Marquez

Rafa: Rafael Marquez

[leftylee]

Referring to the first post on Ajose Olusegun. I read his camp have offered to fight Timothy Bradley for the WBC title. They haven't recieved a reply yet. Good fighter, I like Olusegun.

[jmbtandy]

Referring to the first post on Ajose Olusegun. I read his camp have offered to fight Timothy Bradley for the WBC title. They haven't recieved a reply yet. Good fighter, I like Olusegun.

Ajose is one of the most talented guys around, he has never had a break, make my words as soon as he does everyone will know his name, he has got all the tools to win a world title, hopefully the chance comes before age catches up with him

[amat]

I really don't see it with Ajose. I've only seen his fight with Bradley Pryce but man, I thought Calzaghe slapped a lot. Very sloppy and very slappy.

[mike_tha_man]

like some one else posted befor i also think that Ike Quartey is a unlucky fighter. I like Ike but he is unlucky with those important desicions in the ring. Am glad to hear he is doing more than good for himself outside of the ring.

[HattonTheHammer]

Whenever your ready hattonthehammer....

the marquez brothers deserve a mention both came within a whisker of greatness and just failed!!

Sometimes I wonder when I read your posts how much boxing you've actually seen and how much you currently see.

You mean to tell me that you think that both JMM & Rafa are NOT 2 of the greatest fighters of this generation?

The 1st brother duo to be Top 10 P4P and the..... You know what?
Before I waste any time and text here. I'd would really like to read you supporting facts to this and why you feel that neither guy is a great fighter. Whenever your ready I'm all

Heres both guys records so you don't have to go to BoxRec and look them up. Let me know if you need to see any one of their fights and I'll gladly up load them for you.

JMM: Juan Manuel Marquez

Rafa: Rafael Marquez

God this obsession with me really has got to stop mick

The 2 most memorable contests for either man was izzy for rafa and manny for juan manuel.

Both men came on the end of narrow defeats which could of potentially elevated them to the top of the sport. Both had somewhat controversial decisions mixed in there.

Im not saying either isnt a world class fighter. Just that they both came very close to acheiving the greatness now reserved for manny and vazquez.

PS:I do apologise over the fact i dont spend every waking moment on here like yourself. If you are that eager to call me on something just send me a PM, thanks