Warren: Trust me when Pavlik beats Taylor at 166lbs....

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Yeah Warren should know. He did it with Joe for 10 years. Arum tried to get Joe to fight Pavlik though, so I guess Arum thinks Joe is even more soft than Pavlik.

Bunch of rubbish!!

Smoke screen, Arum wont let Pavlik near Calzaghe until he has made $$ off Kelly Pavlik.

Seriously who actually thinks Pavlik can beat Calzaghe? im not sure even Jack Loew thinks that.

Did you actually watch Joe's last fight? He was like a fish out of water. He is far from unbeatable and trust me, Jack and Pavlik know this. The only smoke here is the screen you are blowing up your own ass. Pavlik and Joe are both over-rated by so many. Joe knows he is fading and that is why he has been shopping the geriatric unit's for opponents. Pavlik's people are also digging the bottom of the barrel looking for easy pickings. It is all there in black and white.

I fail to see how Joe has suddenly become faded.

An average performance against Hopkins isn't necessarily the mark of a fading fighter. The way he handled Kessler was impressive.

Hopkins is a very difficult guy to look good against.

Pavlik is also very handy. He's over-rated by the extremists and maybe the die hard Pavlik fans. But that happens with every fighter at some point who has a following. He's clearly the best around at his weight.

Anyway thats the first time i've disagreed with your opinion, so no hard feelings mate

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Calzaghe had one bad fight since Reid in 99 thats 9yrs all of a sudden he is featherfisted and past it. Sorry his career worst display was easily enough to topple Hopkins at a new weight when Hopkins was coming off career best wins.

Calzaghe on form would o my good, it would be brutal, he would destroy Kelly Pavlik.

Kelly Pavlik have the most insane fans since Miguel Cotto was coming through and they might even supparse those they are insane.

[Deanrw]

Smoke screen, Arum wont let Pavlik near Calzaghe until he has made $$ off Kelly Pavlik.

Seriously who actually thinks Pavlik can beat Calzaghe? im not sure even Jack Loew thinks that.

Did you actually watch Joe's last fight? He was like a fish out of water. He is far from unbeatable and trust me, Jack and Pavlik know this. The only smoke here is the screen you are blowing up your own ass. Pavlik and Joe are both over-rated by so many. Joe knows he is fading and that is why he has been shopping the geriatric unit's for opponents. Pavlik's people are also digging the bottom of the barrel looking for easy pickings. It is all there in black and white.

I fail to see how Joe has suddenly become faded.

An average performance against Hopkins isn't necessarily the mark of a fading fighter. The way he handled Kessler was impressive.

Hopkins is a very difficult guy to look good against.

Pavlik is also very handy. He's over-rated by the extremists and maybe the die hard Pavlik fans. But that happens with every fighter at some point who has a following. He's clearly the best around at his weight.

Anyway thats the first time i've disagreed with your opinion, so no hard feelings mate

Never have hard feelings with you bro. What I was trying to say as some from both camps on the extreme side think their man is unbeatable. Joe and Kelly are both beatable. The difference is that Joe is on 36 year old legs that are getting slower, while Kelly is on 26 year old legs that are getting more mature. Kelly is on the rise while Joe is on the decline in my eyes. Is Kelly good enough at this point to beat Joe? I have no idea, but I think it would be a great test for Joe.

It just pisses me off when some slag off on Kelly calling him another Lacy etc. To me that is just digging for excuses. Kelly may not be a world beater yet, but he deserves some respect even at this point.