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    Default Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up

    Jones to me at least hasn't been showing that kind of power lately. He still hits hard enough to get people's attention but it didn't seem to me in any of the Tarver fights, the Johnson, the Ajamu fight, or Hanshaw or Tito that he was really punching that hard. He's still fast but he doesn't seem like he's got the explosiveness he used too.

    Hopkins at 175 seemed to be hitting fairly hard with his right hand, look at the Tarver fight, he stunned Tarver with it more than a few times.

    Anything's possible but Calzaghe's got a good enough chin, I doubt he gets hurt that badly.

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    Default Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up

    Quote Originally Posted by OumaFan View Post
    Jones to me at least hasn't been showing that kind of power lately. He still hits hard enough to get people's attention but it didn't seem to me in any of the Tarver fights, the Johnson, the Ajamu fight, or Hanshaw or Tito that he was really punching that hard. He's still fast but he doesn't seem like he's got the explosiveness he used too.

    Hopkins at 175 seemed to be hitting fairly hard with his right hand, look at the Tarver fight, he stunned Tarver with it more than a few times.

    Anything's possible but Calzaghe's got a good enough chin, I doubt he gets hurt that badly.
    Like I posted before... I guarantee Roy will knock him down and have him on queer street... Roy will punch thru the open handed blows of Joe and will land the more meaningful shots enough to discourage Joe from his usual workrate.

    Hopkins throws like 5 punches around and could have easily gotten the nod in that fight, Roy will land more and will do more damage

    Joe has a great chin but Roy digs to the body with the best of them and will rake Joes ribs as well

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    Default Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up

    Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OumaFan View Post
    Jones to me at least hasn't been showing that kind of power lately. He still hits hard enough to get people's attention but it didn't seem to me in any of the Tarver fights, the Johnson, the Ajamu fight, or Hanshaw or Tito that he was really punching that hard. He's still fast but he doesn't seem like he's got the explosiveness he used too.

    Hopkins at 175 seemed to be hitting fairly hard with his right hand, look at the Tarver fight, he stunned Tarver with it more than a few times.

    Anything's possible but Calzaghe's got a good enough chin, I doubt he gets hurt that badly.
    Like I posted before... I guarantee Roy will knock him down and have him on queer street... Roy will punch thru the open handed blows of Joe and will land the more meaningful shots enough to discourage Joe from his usual workrate.

    Hopkins throws like 5 punches around and could have easily gotten the nod in that fight, Roy will land more and will do more damage

    Joe has a great chin but Roy digs to the body with the best of them and will rake Joes ribs as well
    Precisely!!!

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    Default Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up

    Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OumaFan View Post
    Jones to me at least hasn't been showing that kind of power lately. He still hits hard enough to get people's attention but it didn't seem to me in any of the Tarver fights, the Johnson, the Ajamu fight, or Hanshaw or Tito that he was really punching that hard. He's still fast but he doesn't seem like he's got the explosiveness he used too.

    Hopkins at 175 seemed to be hitting fairly hard with his right hand, look at the Tarver fight, he stunned Tarver with it more than a few times.

    Anything's possible but Calzaghe's got a good enough chin, I doubt he gets hurt that badly.
    Like I posted before... I guarantee Roy will knock him down and have him on queer street... Roy will punch thru the open handed blows of Joe and will land the more meaningful shots enough to discourage Joe from his usual workrate.

    Hopkins throws like 5 punches around and could have easily gotten the nod in that fight, Roy will land more and will do more damage

    Joe has a great chin but Roy digs to the body with the best of them and will rake Joes ribs as well
    I dont even think jc's got that good of a chin either. In the kessler fight he was clearly hurt and if kess had alittle more to him he could of finshed that fight, just depends on jones current power. I just hope jones wins bcos all jc nuts will be saying jc is the altimes greatest etc and roy's legacy would be hurt aswell which he doesnt deserve.
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    Default Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up

    Against Trinidad Roy knew what was going to happen.

    Tito isn't a defensive wizard nor an evasive master. Roy iknew he'd be coming forward in straight lines; Over confidence in his power has bred this into Tito.

    Roy may not have appeared fleet footed, but his little shuffling movements meant he was getting his feet into the right locations to punch accurately with force.
    Roy actually boxed a lot better than people give him credit for in that fight. It may have been his physical superiority over Trinidad that allowed him to do it, but he showed sound fundamentals and calculated movement.

    Watch it again. Tito moved, Roy shuffled a little with his feet....placed them and hit Tito....Tito went back came forward again and got hit.
    Easy peasy.
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    Default Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up

    Here are some things people on here aren't comprehending.
    1. You can't compare this version of RJJ to this version of B-Hop. While one of them has foughten at the top level consistently(Taylor, Tarver, Wright, Calzaghe) over the last 3 years the other has foughten only one legitimate opponent, a natural WW, who hadn't won a big fight since Mayorga in like 2004. Trinidad isn't a bad fighter, but he isn't an good indicator of what the top fighters are.
    2. Roy has lost his power, he doesn't hit harder IMO than Hopkins does.
    3. He will be in huge trouble if he gets caught on the ropes consistently. He has adapted his defense, but he can still be hit.

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    Default Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
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    2. Roy has lost his power, he doesn't hit harder IMO than Hopkins does.
    3. He will be in huge trouble if he gets caught on the ropes consistently. He has adapted his defense, but he can still be hit.
    power is the last thing to go with a fighter... Jones has more accuaracey and more snap on his punches than Nard, Fact!!!! Not to mention his handspeed is still remarkable...

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    Default Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up

    Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
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    2. Roy has lost his power, he doesn't hit harder IMO than Hopkins does.
    3. He will be in huge trouble if he gets caught on the ropes consistently. He has adapted his defense, but he can still be hit.
    power is the last thing to go with a fighter... Jones has more accuaracey and more snap on his punches than Nard, Fact!!!! Not to mention his handspeed is still remarkable...
    How can you argue who has a more accuracy? Hopkins of late has foughten way better defensive fighters than Roy since Roy last got KO'ed... Also Hopkins lands more telling blows, and he gets hit by less punches than Jones.

    Also Roy's power is gone, not because it isn't potentially there, but because Roy has tried to maintain his speed, he doesn't follow through on his punches anymore. Watch how short he throws his right hands against Trinidad.

    Also Roy JOnes Jr losing to Calzaghe would not make him a bum in any shape or form. This is the #2(# 3 in my books) p4p fighter. Joe hasn't foughten the same level of competition as long as Roy, nor has he gone up the heavyweight and come back down, nor has he had two devastating knock outs. All these adds up to Roy being a lot further down the beaten path then JOe is.

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    Default Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
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    2. Roy has lost his power, he doesn't hit harder IMO than Hopkins does.
    3. He will be in huge trouble if he gets caught on the ropes consistently. He has adapted his defense, but he can still be hit.
    power is the last thing to go with a fighter... Jones has more accuaracey and more snap on his punches than Nard, Fact!!!! Not to mention his handspeed is still remarkable...
    How can you argue who has a more accuracy? Hopkins of late has foughten way better defensive fighters than Roy since Roy last got KO'ed... Also Hopkins lands more telling blows, and he gets hit by less punches than Jones.

    Also Roy's power is gone, not because it isn't potentially there, but because Roy has tried to maintain his speed, he doesn't follow through on his punches anymore. Watch how short he throws his right hands against Trinidad.

    Also Roy JOnes Jr losing to Calzaghe would not make him a bum in any shape or form. This is the #2(# 3 in my books) p4p fighter. Joe hasn't foughten the same level of competition as long as Roy, nor has he gone up the heavyweight and come back down, nor has he had two devastating knock outs. All these adds up to Roy being a lot further down the beaten path then JOe is.
    I dont buy it man, but your certainly entitled to your opinion

    Hopkins has the most enemic punch count in boxing today and no fukin way does he have more power than Jones

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    Default Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Here are some things people on here aren't comprehending.
    1. You can't compare this version of RJJ to this version of B-Hop. While one of them has foughten at the top level consistently(Taylor, Tarver, Wright, Calzaghe) over the last 3 years the other has foughten only one legitimate opponent, a natural WW, who hadn't won a big fight since Mayorga in like 2004. Trinidad isn't a bad fighter, but he isn't an good indicator of what the top fighters are.
    2. Roy has lost his power, he doesn't hit harder IMO than Hopkins does.
    3. He will be in huge trouble if he gets caught on the ropes consistently. He has adapted his defense, but he can still be hit.
    Well it will be very interesting to see who is right after the fight. Like I said before I'll change my name to Roy Jones is a bum if he loses which will hurt as he is my all time hero.

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    Default Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up

    RJJ could easily out point Calzaghe and thats the only way I see him winning, but it has to be real real convincing. His name alone won't win him rounds, he has to do his best ALI impersonation and dance-stick-dance-stick-clinch a winning formula for an ageing great.

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    Default Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up

    Quote Originally Posted by mexirican View Post
    RJJ could easily out point Calzaghe and thats the only way I see him winning, but it has to be real real convincing. His name alone won't win him rounds, he has to do his best ALI impersonation and dance-stick-dance-stick-clinch a winning formula for an ageing great.

    "RJJ could easily put point Calzaghe"

    Jezus christ where do you people get off.

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    Default Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up

    Quote Originally Posted by rjj tszyu View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Here are some things people on here aren't comprehending.
    1. You can't compare this version of RJJ to this version of B-Hop. While one of them has foughten at the top level consistently(Taylor, Tarver, Wright, Calzaghe) over the last 3 years the other has foughten only one legitimate opponent, a natural WW, who hadn't won a big fight since Mayorga in like 2004. Trinidad isn't a bad fighter, but he isn't an good indicator of what the top fighters are.
    2. Roy has lost his power, he doesn't hit harder IMO than Hopkins does.
    3. He will be in huge trouble if he gets caught on the ropes consistently. He has adapted his defense, but he can still be hit.
    Well it will be very interesting to see who is right after the fight. Like I said before I'll change my name to Roy Jones is a bum if he loses which will hurt as he is my all time hero.
    I agree with you 99% , but: Do me a favor,dont write Roy Jones is a bum out in public ,unless you will personally walk up and say it to his face also. Respect 4 all fighters . MAybe something like "I was wrong Clzage fans were right" would be more to the point.But you should be ok on the night too .Cool head ,fast hands=deep water for Joe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rjj tszyu View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Here are some things people on here aren't comprehending.
    1. You can't compare this version of RJJ to this version of B-Hop. While one of them has foughten at the top level consistently(Taylor, Tarver, Wright, Calzaghe) over the last 3 years the other has foughten only one legitimate opponent, a natural WW, who hadn't won a big fight since Mayorga in like 2004. Trinidad isn't a bad fighter, but he isn't an good indicator of what the top fighters are.
    2. Roy has lost his power, he doesn't hit harder IMO than Hopkins does.
    3. He will be in huge trouble if he gets caught on the ropes consistently. He has adapted his defense, but he can still be hit.
    Well it will be very interesting to see who is right after the fight. Like I said before I'll change my name to Roy Jones is a bum if he loses which will hurt as he is my all time hero.
    I agree with you 99% , but: Do me a favor,dont write Roy Jones is a bum out in public ,unless you will personally walk up and say it to his face also. Respect 4 all fighters . MAybe something like "I was wrong Clzage fans were right" would be more to the point.But you should be ok on the night too .Cool head ,fast hands=deep water for Joe.
    Ah yeah maybe your right. I will write "I was wrong Calzaghe fans were right" if the unimaginable happens.

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