JCC Jr. - Matt Vanda Thread

[Violent Demise]

Mora would whup Chavez imo he's just trading on his father's name nothing more.

Vanda is just a decent club fighter, even Anthony Bonsate had no problems with him.

Seriously the biggest fight of Chavez Jr's career will be against Alfonso Gomez and he will lose.

uu muust bee drunnk.

So you think he's going to be a world champ then VD?

In his last 3 or 4 fights he's pretty much stepped up to his maximum level of competition.

Him and Gomez would be a pick em fight imo and I'd favour Gomez to come on late and stop him.

He's nothing special at all.

Duddy would murder him. I honestly can't see him beating anybody at light middle, Ouma, Julio, K9 Bundrage, Ishe Smith, Sechew Powell, the guy that beat Sechew Powell, I can't see him beating any of those guys.

Cosme Riveria would knock him out.

The only fights I can see him winning against name fighters are Yory Boy Campas (who would have destroyed him in his prime) and maybe that Jose Riveria guy, which would be a pick em fight imo.

Chavez would smash of the fools you mention. Especially Mora and that clown Duddy. I seen Duddy fight plenty of times. And he is no Matt Vanda

[amat]

...not too much to talk about, before this fight even happened they were commited to not letting this guy loose, especially against this level of comp. It's frustrating cause sometimes a loss is exactly what a fighter needs, this kid isn't his father, let him make his own path. But i don't think they see it that way, They'd rather pad his record up to like 145-0, Just to be fair i don't know how much of what i'm saying is true and maybe they are just progressing him along gradually, but jesus is this guy ever going to fight where we can watch ?? I think this fuckers birth was probably on ppv. And that's my problem with it all, charging star prices for someone who's proven nothing. Can't blame him though, if people would pay to watch me post here and cry like i'm doin...i'd sure as fuck charge too lol !! Hell this last fight might have even been on regular t.v. i don't even check anymore.

jcc jr headlining ppv i never knew that

He's headlined a ton of PPV's. Including like 5 of those Latin Furies. Really he's been on PPV forever because Chavez has such a loyal following that all his fans the only fights they will buy throughout the year are Chavez and De La Hoya fights.

[amat]

I think this fuckers birth was probably on ppv.

hahaha very nice.

[Mad_Dog]

I don't like the guy either. everyone keeps telling me his for real. For some reason I am not convinced.

His pop was ok though

[CountryBoy]

I was sure Chavez Jr. would stop Panda in three, then I thought in five as the fight wore on, it became more intense, Chavez looked gassed in the later rounds and he was taking a lot of clean shots but so was Panda All things considered, it was a pretty good scrap in a strange kind of way. Near the end, it looked as if these guy were heavy weights nearing the 13th thru 15th rounds. After the final bell, Chavez Jr., was so spent, it took him nearly 10 minutes to get up off the stool I thought they were going to perform CPR on him, it took about 15 minutes to annouce the scores never a good sign.

Here are the scores after ten rounds:

They were announced in the following order.

97-93 Chavez

95-96 Vanda

100-90 Chavez

When that final score of 100 - 90 was read, you could hear the booing and it got louder, then people began throwing things in the ring. Chavez had about 50 people in his entourage, which was a good thing for him because they were able to shield Chavez from getting hit with anything from the stands Even during the post fight interview, Chavez was sitting in his stool while having to be shielded by his entourage. Chavez was very dissapointed in himself and who can blame him Chavez thinks the people were booing him, but that was not the case, they were booing the score of 100 - 90.

Chavez needs to stop pulling his pud and get into the gym with a conditioning coach. Chavez looked flabby with no definition, no tone, flat.

He said at the end of the fight that he has no idea what he is going to do, the kid sounded distraught

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMIAPTV94io

[CutMeMick]

My final tally was 10-2 in rounds for Solis.

Here are the final scores from the judges.

Actual scores were a shutout for Solis 120-108, 120-108, 120-107.

Was I that off from them? I could see if the final scores were close how someone would laught at my scorecard but I was on point.

So who's laughing now?

I was laughing cause you gave a pity round to glen.

my link sucked but I don't think i gave the 11th to glen.

Ahh! I see.
Now I feel like an ass.

Round 11 was all Glen he was the agressor and he landed the more meaningful punches in that round.

[Kev]

uu muust bee drunnk.

So you think he's going to be a world champ then VD?

In his last 3 or 4 fights he's pretty much stepped up to his maximum level of competition.

Him and Gomez would be a pick em fight imo and I'd favour Gomez to come on late and stop him.

He's nothing special at all.

Duddy would murder him. I honestly can't see him beating anybody at light middle, Ouma, Julio, K9 Bundrage, Ishe Smith, Sechew Powell, the guy that beat Sechew Powell, I can't see him beating any of those guys.

Cosme Riveria would knock him out.

The only fights I can see him winning against name fighters are Yory Boy Campas (who would have destroyed him in his prime) and maybe that Jose Riveria guy, which would be a pick em fight imo.

Chavez would smash of the fools you mention. Especially Mora and that clown Duddy. I seen Duddy fight plenty of times. And he is no Matt Vanda

You can't seriously believe that?

I honestly wouldn't pick Chavez over any of those guys in a 12 round fight. I'm not even exaggerating here Mora is far too slick, Duddy to strong, K9 too awkward, Julio too powerful, Powell too slick and too powerful, Ishe far too slick, Ouma, even faded he still has far too much pedigree for Chavez.

Gomez would be close but I'd favour Gomez as he's clearly mixed in better company.

As for the top guys in the division, Santos, Alcine, Spinks, Phillips, Forrest, Karmazin he'd have not a hope in hell.

I think you could argue a serious case for at least 20 fighters in the junior middleweight division who Chavez wouldn't be able to beat.

They will keep feeding him stiffs for the next couple years at least.

[Kirkland Laing]

I have to agree with Bilbo here against my fellow Calzaghe fan Demise. Chavez is nothing special at all. 36 fights and he's still fighting guys like Vanda tells the whole story here. He's also really tight at the weight too apparently, certainly looked that way at the end of the fight. Unless he gets handed a belt and defends it against Vanda-like fighters he'll never be a world champion and if he has to move up to 160 it'll get ugly for him.

[Violent Demise]

So you think he's going to be a world champ then VD?

In his last 3 or 4 fights he's pretty much stepped up to his maximum level of competition.

Him and Gomez would be a pick em fight imo and I'd favour Gomez to come on late and stop him.

He's nothing special at all.

Duddy would murder him. I honestly can't see him beating anybody at light middle, Ouma, Julio, K9 Bundrage, Ishe Smith, Sechew Powell, the guy that beat Sechew Powell, I can't see him beating any of those guys.

Cosme Riveria would knock him out.

The only fights I can see him winning against name fighters are Yory Boy Campas (who would have destroyed him in his prime) and maybe that Jose Riveria guy, which would be a pick em fight imo.

Chavez would smash of the fools you mention. Especially Mora and that clown Duddy. I seen Duddy fight plenty of times. And he is no Matt Vanda

You can't seriously believe that?

I honestly wouldn't pick Chavez over any of those guys in a 12 round fight. I'm not even exaggerating here Mora is far too slick, Duddy to strong, K9 too awkward, Julio too powerful, Powell too slick and too powerful, Ishe far too slick, Ouma, even faded he still has far too much pedigree for Chavez.

Gomez would be close but I'd favour Gomez as he's clearly mixed in better company.

As for the top guys in the division, Santos, Alcine, Spinks, Phillips, Forrest, Karmazin he'd have not a hope in hell.

I think you could argue a serious case for at least 20 fighters in the junior middleweight division who Chavez wouldn't be able to beat.

They will keep feeding him stiffs for the next couple years at least.

You must of missed Duddy's fight against D class fighter Walid Smichet. His fight against Great Grandfather Yory Boy Campas. Duddy by all rights has 2 loses already. I agree Chavez would lose to Santos, Alcine, Spinks, Phillips and Karmazin. But those are top fighters. Something Duddy is not. Far from it. Chavez would brutalized Duddy.