What I'm saying is, no matter who he trains with, he will never fight 12 rounds like he used to. The amount of times he has come to the ring overtrained goes into the tens. Billy is no great trainer, Ricky is a great warrior. That's why he is a draw and had major success. If he changed trainers 5 years ago, who knows? but his lifestyle meant that he had to train like a bastard to get the weight off so he has always been half the problem. I made a thread the other day after I found out he lost 12 stone in 2004.....thats just too much for a 140lb guy mate.