James Toney vs. Hasim Rahman II - Let's Talk here (Pics & Vid)

[Kev]

Whats telling is Rahmans last statement in the corner....."I cant see that right hand".....nuff said!Without even letting the corner work on it Once and giving himself a chance in next round for a victory....he opted out. After his corner asked "It was a headbutt right" ? He was staggered bad at 28 sec mark and Toney got him "upstairs" Imo.

What Rahman may or may not have said to his corner is completely irrelevent though. He was clearly cut, the blood was clearly obscuring his vision, it was clearly a headbutt, and the doctor clearly suggested to the referee that Hasim couldn't continue.

Even had Hasim said to his trainer, 'I've found a way to get out' it should still not change the facts.

It was a no contest. Nobody likes no contests and I really wanted Toney to win but a bad decision is a bad decision no matter what the circumstances.

[Swice]

Whats telling is Rahmans last statement in the corner....."I cant see that right hand".....nuff said!Without even letting the corner work on it Once and giving himself a chance in next round for a victory....he opted out. After his corner asked "It was a headbutt right" ? He was staggered bad at 28 sec mark and Toney got him "upstairs" Imo.

What Rahman may or may not have said to his corner is completely irrelevent though. He was clearly cut, the blood was clearly obscuring his vision, it was clearly a headbutt, and the doctor clearly suggested to the referee that Hasim couldn't continue.

Even had Hasim said to his trainer, 'I've found a way to get out' it should still not change the facts.

It was a no contest. Nobody likes no contests and I really wanted Toney to win but a bad decision is a bad decision no matter what the circumstances.

Rahman doesn't get to make that decision though. If you get headbutted the fighter doesn't get to decide whether he will continue or not, that is left up to the doctor and the referee. If the doctor says you can continue than you have to fight or take the "L." The doctor waved off the fight not because of the cut, but because Rahman said he couldn't see. The doctor hadn't even checked the cut yet, and Rahman was already indicating he didn't want to go on. Thats a TKO and not a NC.

[Spicoli]

Whats telling is Rahmans last statement in the corner....."I cant see that right hand".....nuff said!Without even letting the corner work on it Once and giving himself a chance in next round for a victory....he opted out. After his corner asked "It was a headbutt right" ? He was staggered bad at 28 sec mark and Toney got him "upstairs" Imo.

What Rahman may or may not have said to his corner is completely irrelevent though. He was clearly cut, the blood was clearly obscuring his vision, it was clearly a headbutt, and the doctor clearly suggested to the referee that Hasim couldn't continue.

Even had Hasim said to his trainer, 'I've found a way to get out' it should still not change the facts.

It was a no contest. Nobody likes no contests and I really wanted Toney to win but a bad decision is a bad decision no matter what the circumstances.

I can go along with the technicalities and "Rules are rules" but we all know what this was. Rahman said He could not see clearly.Upon wiping it there was no blood flowing and they packed it/treated it ready for next round.Thay actually asked for verification on the headbutt and upon hearing there desired answer ,Rahman looked to massage the rules and settle for an out as opposed to sucking it up and giving himself a chance......He did a brokeback mountain and "quithimself" and is probally regretting it much right now!

[Deanrw]

I see it as he quit in his corner. He should have at least tried to make a fight of it, but seemed to want the easier way out.

He was complaining that he could not see, he wanted the ref to stop it. Cuts are a part of the sport. Fighters are expected to fight through them no matter how they are caused unless the doctor determines otherwise.

On that note though I can see them later on declaring it a no contest. One of those tough calls.