Thinking out loud......Speed.

[Salty]

I have been wanting to improve upon my speed for a while and found a few ways which have worked for me (contradicts your weights Donny)

• Elastic rope forcing my relxed arm out quicker than normally possible (sprinters use this when they get a partner to run ahead and use the elasticity to make their muscles move quicker)
• Alternation between no and small weights while shadow boxing
• Training to brain so that my hands don't "over run the brain", more like a drummers training.
• Plyo training for arms

Elastic rope I think I have talked a lot about in pretty much every post I've talked about speed . But i'm sorry going to say it again, my hands get quicker even after a weeks worth of doing this so i'm going to keep saying it until you guys get onto it (like tabatas).

The hand weights like Donny said can teach you bad form, but to be honest I think this would only have a dramatic effect if your not correcting yourself in the process. Personally I do 20 seconds of the desired punch without weights, then 20 seconds with a small weight and then 20 seconds without weights again. Thats a set for me and done inbetween sets of the elastic rope. I think you have to make up your own mind with this one though as there are quite a few risks. Although I know the Soviets pretty much invented this technique and seemed to work pretty well for them.

I've recently been looking into how drummers train to improve their handspeed, because some of them have awesome co-ordination and speed I guessed I could learn something from them. Anyways what I stumbled upon was that they use patterns, which increase in speed as the exercise continues in order to trick the brain. I converted them over to jabs and straights in order to see if it makes a difference, only time will tell I guess, but i'm hoping it will make a difference.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I'll certainly agree on the elastic rope, plyo's and you're thoughts on drumers....brain training.

But weights I feel should be done seperate as they don't work correct muscle memeory, given the fact that with a weight in your hand it won't be the same as a punch without weight.

I'm looking into the development of fast twitch muscles, the shoulders are easy and exercises we ewould commonly do.

Isometrics are also excellent

[Scrap]

When you come over Don, Ill show you some interesting things. But you will have to sign a bit of paper

[donnydarkoIRL]

When you come over Don, Ill show you some interesting things. But you will have to sign a bit of paper

Thats no problem at all
Looking forward to it.

[Sharla]

Interesting idea about patterns Salty.

A coach from a previous gym used to smack the left side of my guard with one pad and get me to throw my right cross as a reaction to it.

I'm guessing a lot of us have done work on the mits with coaches getting us to react in a particular way to a particular cue and I guess it does speed you up marginally after it has been drilled into you.

I do think it has to be something that will flow though. My most recent coaches also got me to punch out after hitting my guard.

I didn't like that so much because they wanted me to punch with the same side of my guard which was just hit and it felt stunted and restricted by the blow - like I had to fight through their force and rotate my shoulders against it before I could begin to throw the punch - no where near as fast as the other hand!

[Youngblood]

You know...I trained hard for months, and got the results I was looking for, power wise and with cardio. Now for atleast the last month I've hardly trained outside of the gym, but have sparred regularly. The whole time working on technique and also telling myself to throw more and faster.

I am not sure the reason, but do feel and it has been backed up by my sparring partners, that I'm hitting faster and it's posing them probs.

Interesting thing, the mind.

[Scrap]

If the body knows what to do it performs better those Neurons have got the message.

[Salty]

You know...I trained hard for months, and got the results I was looking for, power wise and with cardio. Now for atleast the last month I've hardly trained outside of the gym, but have sparred regularly. The whole time working on technique and also telling myself to throw more and faster.

I am not sure the reason, but do feel and it has been backed up by my sparring partners, that I'm hitting faster and it's posing them probs.

Interesting thing, the mind.

Found a quote from the book I just bought which fits your description mate and thought i'd share...

"Speed strength increased by an average of 18 - 25% following a 10 day rest from intense specialised strength training. Such increases may occur due to a super-compensatory restoration period that follows strength work."

@ Andre, thanks going to keep it up and let you know how I go. So far I'm getting good at the 1,2,1,1,2,1,2,2 pattern will need to start a new one soon I think.

[Andre]

I've recently been looking into how drummers train to improve their handspeed, because some of them have awesome co-ordination and speed I guessed I could learn something from them. Anyways what I stumbled upon was that they use patterns, which increase in speed as the exercise continues in order to trick the brain. I converted them over to jabs and straights in order to see if it makes a difference, only time will tell I guess, but i'm hoping it will make a difference.

Thats brilliant mate,patterns to trick the mind ! 10/10.

I used to drum no very well ,snare for an Irish millitary style band actually..

But I had the thought go through my head that to hit in "cluffs" or on the off beat completly during a fight with the foowork to back it, would disrupt timing and may eventually allow for a punch that came out of left field as an unseen finisher on their reaction tothe change. .

like your idea better..