Thinking out loud......Speed.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I'll certainly agree on the elastic rope, plyo's and you're thoughts on drumers....brain training.

But weights I feel should be done seperate as they don't work correct muscle memeory, given the fact that with a weight in your hand it won't be the same as a punch without weight.

I'm looking into the development of fast twitch muscles, the shoulders are easy and exercises we ewould commonly do.

Isometrics are also excellent

[Scrap]

When you come over Don, Ill show you some interesting things. But you will have to sign a bit of paper

[donnydarkoIRL]

When you come over Don, Ill show you some interesting things. But you will have to sign a bit of paper

Thats no problem at all
Looking forward to it.

[Sharla]

Interesting idea about patterns Salty.

A coach from a previous gym used to smack the left side of my guard with one pad and get me to throw my right cross as a reaction to it.

I'm guessing a lot of us have done work on the mits with coaches getting us to react in a particular way to a particular cue and I guess it does speed you up marginally after it has been drilled into you.

I do think it has to be something that will flow though. My most recent coaches also got me to punch out after hitting my guard.

I didn't like that so much because they wanted me to punch with the same side of my guard which was just hit and it felt stunted and restricted by the blow - like I had to fight through their force and rotate my shoulders against it before I could begin to throw the punch - no where near as fast as the other hand!

[Youngblood]

You know...I trained hard for months, and got the results I was looking for, power wise and with cardio. Now for atleast the last month I've hardly trained outside of the gym, but have sparred regularly. The whole time working on technique and also telling myself to throw more and faster.

I am not sure the reason, but do feel and it has been backed up by my sparring partners, that I'm hitting faster and it's posing them probs.

Interesting thing, the mind.

[Scrap]

If the body knows what to do it performs better those Neurons have got the message.

[Douglas]

Lots of stretching will also help. I've noticed that I seem a little quicker on the bag since I've made a habit of stretching more.

[Salty]

You know...I trained hard for months, and got the results I was looking for, power wise and with cardio. Now for atleast the last month I've hardly trained outside of the gym, but have sparred regularly. The whole time working on technique and also telling myself to throw more and faster.

I am not sure the reason, but do feel and it has been backed up by my sparring partners, that I'm hitting faster and it's posing them probs.

Interesting thing, the mind.

Found a quote from the book I just bought which fits your description mate and thought i'd share...

"Speed strength increased by an average of 18 - 25% following a 10 day rest from intense specialised strength training. Such increases may occur due to a super-compensatory restoration period that follows strength work."

@ Andre, thanks going to keep it up and let you know how I go. So far I'm getting good at the 1,2,1,1,2,1,2,2 pattern will need to start a new one soon I think.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Developing speed has long been a problematic area.


Finally an enormous amount of brain training will be required. If you don't throw when your meant to speed is useless, so the mind must memorise the technique, the timing and the type punch to throw.

More thoughts ,Please dont ,that will just hold you into where you are at, let it all go, its time to be free.

Thoughts are far from freedom, unless your thinking your way into or out of a situation and you can only do that and have the time to do that in a ring if your really enjoying yourself. The zone is just over that hill.



I honestly think some peoples thoughts get in the way of their speed and reaction timing .Sadly their natural abilties also start to die back with trying to be correct in each and every situation etc..
Eventually you have to drop what you learned, stop trying, stop the thoughts completly and just throw automatic and totally free; VIA having faith that you have done your ground work more than anyone else so you come out of it with the finesse and the strength and the timing built up off of your past hard work. Thats faith in your ability.

A bird doesnt think "Oh theres a cliff down there over to the right when Im real close to it, Im going to turn left real fast just before I hit it and get total speed up the face", It just does it when the time is right.
Thats the difference between fighting right in the zone and fighting to everything you know safley.

Maybe just spar farting around for a while,snappy, fast as you can semi contact with a good mate, so there is no egos getting involved, then you can play in there and start to have fun again then your natural speed will flow unhindered.

I can feel you want it .

Well,
My view is when your a baby, you learn to walk from others. You concentrate and practise, you perfect it and then it becomes your natural pattern of movement.

With my movement I spend periods of time in the gym moving. Corerecting wrong steps and angles. I break it down and do it precisely how It was recommended. Using my mind I commit the actions to muscle memory.

Then when I spar all the hours practise make it a natural movement.
I've commited the movements to muscle memory so I don't have to make a concious effort to move correctly.

It was my thought that with speed, i would get my body moving correctly, 100% correctly and commit those movements to muscle memory.
Then they will occur naturally and faster as they become the routine.

[Youngblood]

You know...I trained hard for months, and got the results I was looking for, power wise and with cardio. Now for atleast the last month I've hardly trained outside of the gym, but have sparred regularly. The whole time working on technique and also telling myself to throw more and faster.

I am not sure the reason, but do feel and it has been backed up by my sparring partners, that I'm hitting faster and it's posing them probs.

Interesting thing, the mind.

Found a quote from the book I just bought which fits your description mate and thought i'd share...

"Speed strength increased by an average of 18 - 25% following a 10 day rest from intense specialised strength training. Such increases may occur due to a super-compensatory restoration period that follows strength work."

@ Andre, thanks going to keep it up and let you know how I go. So far I'm getting good at the 1,2,1,1,2,1,2,2 pattern will need to start a new one soon I think.

Thanks Salty. That is interesting and actually makes a lot of sense. It really does help back up claims from Scrap and others about the importance of recovery and the benefits of it. It is hard sometimes to get it through my (our) thick skulls that constantly working out without breaks is not the way to go. But I am becoming a believer. So now the question I suppose is how to apply it correctly for mamimum benefit.