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    Default Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs who everyone else fought

    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    I'm not shocked about people picking Bruno or Morrison to beat Wlad but Rudduck

    Those guys couldn't really box...Morrison did but vs a very slow George Foreman, Wlad is athletic and his jab is pretty damn good.

    From how Wlad has been beaten before you either have to be able to sneak a punch in there and nail him and never let up or you have to take a beating and withstand until Wlad gets tired and those times are coming fewer and fewer as Wlad is fighting smarter. The guys who could do that are: Tua, Morrison, and Rahman. Tua has never been KO'd, Morrison fought with heart and could take a beating, and Rahman could sneak a big punch in, he did it to Lewis.

    I don't see why people pick Bruno to win but I understand why they would like him to win, because he's the only true British heavyweight that was any good from the last couple of years....Lennox was Canadian/Jamaican/British so he wasn't 100% British the way Bruno was
    Razor Ruddock was a huge puncher and i can see him catching Wladimir Klitschko at some point and as for Frank Bruno he had terrific jab and was also a big puncher and was very dangerous in the first 6 rounds i can see him landing his big over hand right on Wladimir at some point.

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    I know they are both big punchers but they had trouble with the top level fighters. I would compare Rudduck to Sam Peter and Bruno to Hasim Rahman....Bruno got beat by the likes of Witherspoon and Smith and Rudduck never really had a close fight with any prime top tier fighter the closest he got was going the distance with Tyson.

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    Default Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs who everyone else fought

    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    I know they are both big punchers but they had trouble with the top level fighters. I would compare Rudduck to Sam Peter and Bruno to Hasim Rahman....Bruno got beat by the likes of Witherspoon and Smith and Rudduck never really had a close fight with any prime top tier fighter the closest he got was going the distance with Tyson.
    The thing is Frank Bruno lost to Bonecrusher Smith and Tim Witherspoon because they were able to wishstand Frank Bruno's power in the first 6 rounds because they were always durable which Wladimir isn't. And Frank Bruno lost in the later rounds down to confidence problems and stamina issues due too much muscle mass plus i can't see Wladimir surviving that long against Frank Bruno and plus Wladimir does have few stamina issues himself. I can see your argument regarding Razor Ruddock because he was sloppy at that times but funny enough i've seen few sparring clips of Razor Ruddock where he showed good skills and used his jab to good effect its quite strange he never showed those skills when he actually got down to fighting and just realied on his half left uppercut/half left hook the "smash"

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    Default Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs who everyone else fought

    Rudduck had plenty of potential but yeah he fought sloppy....Frank Bruno still doesn't really impress me, I mean who did he ever beat?

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    Default Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs who everyone else fought

    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Rudduck had plenty of potential but yeah he fought sloppy....Frank Bruno still doesn't really impress me, I mean who did he ever beat?
    He did lack the big wins but his losses except for Bonecrusher Smith were to some of the best Heavyweights take Tim Witherspoon for example was the 3rd best Heavyweight of the 80s behind Mike Tyson and Larry Holmes and always showed a solid chin. I don't have to tell you about Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson because you already know but i think Frank Bruno was a good fighter who was just unlucky that the fighters he was up against were all bad style match ups for him because all those fighters all had pretty solid chins and were able to weather his storm i can see Wladimir Klitschko having serious issues with Bruno's jab lets remember how Bruno totally out jabbed Lewis who had one of the best jabs of all time and Wladimir has never fought anyone with a solid jab like Bruno's plus i can see that right hand landing at some point or another and despite what you think Frank Bruno did always have good chin it was just he lacked survival instinct i think Wladimir would be too cautious against Bruno and Bruno would put Wladimir on the back foot with his solid left jab then boom right hand over the top and its lights out for Wladimir.

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    Default Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs who everyone else fought

    Wladimer beats the below fighters because they are either mediocre or do not have enough pop on their punches to hurt Wlad

    Mitch Green
    James Tillis
    James Smith
    Tony Tucker
    Michael Moorer-Moores glass chin would crack
    Andrew Golota
    Michael Dokes
    Pinklon Thomas
    Michael Spinks- best of the bunch, but too small.
    Renoldo Snipes
    Tim Witherspoon
    Trevor Berbick
    Tommy Morrison-Tommy's glass chin would break before Wlad's


    The following fights could go either way, do to Wlad's inabilty to take a clean punch:

    Hasim Rahman
    Shannon Briggs
    David Tua
    Frank Bruno
    Donovan Rudduck

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    Default Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs who everyone else fought

    Wlad loses to Morrison, Witherspoon and Ruddock IMO...these were the ones that would force Klitscko's pace which is something that Wlad does not react well to...A prime Tua would be interesting as he might be able to break Wlad down if he could get to him also a prime Dokes...If Wlad can dictate the pace and fight at his range he is deadly but pressure and high activity seems to be his undoing...

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    Default Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs who everyone else fought

    Quote Originally Posted by The Promoter View Post
    Wlad loses to Morrison, Witherspoon and Ruddock IMO...these were the ones that would force Klitscko's pace which is something that Wlad does not react well to...A prime Tua would be interesting as he might be able to break Wlad down if he could get to him also a prime Dokes...If Wlad can dictate the pace and fight at his range he is deadly but pressure and high activity seems to be his undoing...
    I thought about the David Tua fight then i remembered how cautious Lennox Lewis was against Tua and how 1 dimentional Tua looked and how easily Lennox Lewis out boxed Tua just something to consider.

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    Default Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs who everyone else fought

    Quote Originally Posted by ssss View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Promoter View Post
    Wlad loses to Morrison, Witherspoon and Ruddock IMO...these were the ones that would force Klitscko's pace which is something that Wlad does not react well to...A prime Tua would be interesting as he might be able to break Wlad down if he could get to him also a prime Dokes...If Wlad can dictate the pace and fight at his range he is deadly but pressure and high activity seems to be his undoing...
    I thought about the David Tua fight then i remembered how cautious Lennox Lewis was against Tua and how 1 dimentional Tua looked and how easily Lennox Lewis out boxed Tua just something to consider.
    I agree LL made Tua look foolish and David decided to stop fighting and just turtle up...The Tua that fought LL was not the same constant pressure fighter that fought under Lou Duva's watch it was the "one punch" version that the Goosen's created...terrible. The Tua that I was thinking of was the one that fought Ike, Rahman (1), Maskaev, Izon, Ruiz, etc...the "Terminator" version

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    Default Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs who everyone else fought

    Quote Originally Posted by ssss View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    I know they are both big punchers but they had trouble with the top level fighters. I would compare Rudduck to Sam Peter and Bruno to Hasim Rahman....Bruno got beat by the likes of Witherspoon and Smith and Rudduck never really had a close fight with any prime top tier fighter the closest he got was going the distance with Tyson.
    The thing is Frank Bruno lost to Bonecrusher Smith and Tim Witherspoon because they were able to wishstand Frank Bruno's power in the first 6 rounds because they were always durable which Wladimir isn't. And Frank Bruno lost in the later rounds down to confidence problems and stamina issues due too much muscle mass plus i can't see Wladimir surviving that long against Frank Bruno and plus Wladimir does have few stamina issues himself. I can see your argument regarding Razor Ruddock because he was sloppy at that times but funny enough i've seen few sparring clips of Razor Ruddock where he showed good skills and used his jab to good effect its quite strange he never showed those skills when he actually got down to fighting and just realied on his half left uppercut/half left hook the "smash"

    Bruno finest hr was the Lewis fight and it was Micky Vanns lowest ebb. Great ref today but goes to show its not only Cortez and Nady that can favour a boxer.

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    Default Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs who everyone else fought

    Quote Originally Posted by Markusdarkus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ssss View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    I know they are both big punchers but they had trouble with the top level fighters. I would compare Rudduck to Sam Peter and Bruno to Hasim Rahman....Bruno got beat by the likes of Witherspoon and Smith and Rudduck never really had a close fight with any prime top tier fighter the closest he got was going the distance with Tyson.
    The thing is Frank Bruno lost to Bonecrusher Smith and Tim Witherspoon because they were able to wishstand Frank Bruno's power in the first 6 rounds because they were always durable which Wladimir isn't. And Frank Bruno lost in the later rounds down to confidence problems and stamina issues due too much muscle mass plus i can't see Wladimir surviving that long against Frank Bruno and plus Wladimir does have few stamina issues himself. I can see your argument regarding Razor Ruddock because he was sloppy at that times but funny enough i've seen few sparring clips of Razor Ruddock where he showed good skills and used his jab to good effect its quite strange he never showed those skills when he actually got down to fighting and just realied on his half left uppercut/half left hook the "smash"

    Bruno finest hr was the Lewis fight and it was Micky Vanns lowest ebb. Great ref today but goes to show its not only Cortez and Nady that can favour a boxer.
    He certainly did give Frank Bruno every chance of surviving i remember he warned Lennox Lewis for holding his glove on Bruno's face while he set up the vicious uppercut.

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    Default Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs who everyone else fought

    I think that Wladmir does fine against that list, but I don'tthink he's the type of fighter that could have fought five of them in a row and come out with 5 wins.

    I think David Tua at his best would beat Wladmir.
    I think Wlad would beat Frank Bruno soundly.

    A name that was omitted was Riddick Bowe, I think he certainly would have beaten Wlad.
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    Default Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs who everyone else fought

    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    I know they are both big punchers but they had trouble with the top level fighters. I would compare Rudduck to Sam Peter and Bruno to Hasim Rahman....Bruno got beat by the likes of Witherspoon and Smith and Rudduck never really had a close fight with any prime top tier fighter the closest he got was going the distance with Tyson.
    Bruno was miles ahead of Hasim Rahman. Smith and Witherspoon were both very good fighters. In his prime, Witherspoon would stand a very good chance against Wlad. He'd be a better bet than Ruddock or Bruno. Rahman's biggest moment was a lucky punch.

    Still, I think Bruno loses to Wlad.

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