Ever heard of undefeated Heavyweight Malik Scott?

[rjj tszyu]

I like Eddie but his lack of offense is surprising...he throws very well, not with tons of power but short sharp punches. His defense is very good but those bigger guys (the "superheavies") can hurt him whether he has his guard up or not.


Malik Scott is feather fisted....how can a guy that big not KO more fighters


Where have all the hard ass fighters from America gone?!?!?! Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe....I guess they stay in the lower weight classes now a days. Wish Kelly Pavlik was a heavyweight at like 6'5 240...that would be pretty cool

They Don't need to be that big. They just need to be good. Look at Ali 6'3 210-220 in his prime. He would beat every single heavy now no problem.

[El Kabong]

I know people will say I'm a Wlad "nut hugger" but I say this in general and I'm definently not using Wlad as THE example BUT.....the fighters today are bigger and stronger than they used to be.


Ali is one of the greatest of all-time but he was THE BIGGEST heavyweight of his era as well. Which is why him beating Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe....it would be a lot harder than beating Foreman as those guys are all bigger than Ali AND they had good technical boxing skills.

[rjj tszyu]

I know people will say I'm a Wlad "nut hugger" but I say this in general and I'm definently not using Wlad as THE example BUT.....the fighters today are bigger and stronger than they used to be.


Ali is one of the greatest of all-time but he was THE BIGGEST heavyweight of his era as well. Which is why him beating Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe....it would be a lot harder than beating Foreman as those guys are all bigger than Ali AND they had good technical boxing skills.

Foreman was bigger than Holyfield. He also came back as an old overweight man and won the heavyweight title. So to me the 70s crop would beat the modern BIGGER heavyweights. There have always been giants in heavyweight division like Carnera, Abe Simon and Buddy Baer from the old days but when they got in the ring with a well trained mobile heavyweight they got beaten badly (Carnera Vs Max Baer and Buddy Baer and Abe Simon Vs Joe Louis)

[El Kabong]

Foreman was 6'4 220 in his prime.....Evander was 6'3 218-220 in his prime but he was a better BOXER than Foreman was in his prime. George would knock Evander the fuck out in their primes but Ali would have trouble with him because he was like a mix of Joe Frazier and Ken Norton....big awkward and never stopped working and Ali had trouble with both those guys.


Foreman never fought Bowe or Lewis and there was good reason at that time in his career

[The Promoter]

I know people will say I'm a Wlad "nut hugger" but I say this in general and I'm definently not using Wlad as THE example BUT.....the fighters today are bigger and stronger than they used to be.


Ali is one of the greatest of all-time but he was THE BIGGEST heavyweight of his era as well. Which is why him beating Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe....it would be a lot harder than beating Foreman as those guys are all bigger than Ali AND they had good technical boxing skills.

Biggest Heavyweight of his era? are you kidding?!??! What defines "biggest" for you? If your talking height; Ernie Terrell, Jeff Merritt, Duke Sabedong were taller and heavier...Joe Bugner and George Foreman and Dante Cane were just as tall and heavier...the list goes on and one, why are you so hung up on size? Specifically what size are you talking about?!?!?

Today's fighters are heavier becuase in the days of competitive heavyweight action 15 rounds of punching was expected...watch Ali-Frazier, Holmes-Norton, Liston-Mechem, Dempsey-Tunney then watch Wlad weeze and gasp to go 10 rounds and tell me how great Dr Steal Hammer is! Todays heavies are fatter, slower and have less stamina then even the heavies of 20 years ago...

Primo Carnerra, Ernie Terrell, Jeff Merrit, Gerhard Zech, Hein Ten Hoff, Mike White, Jorge Luis Gonzalez, Rodolfo Marin, Tyrell Biggs all great big guys that were hardly dominant for their times...

Face it, today's heavyweights are pathetic and Wlad is the best of the worste crop of fighters in probably 40 years!

[El Kabong]

Fine Ali was smaller than Earnie Terrell...Joe Louis was smaller than Buddy Baer and Primo Carnera but it doesn't make those guys great. Ali had plenty of skill but the big guys of his era: Terrell, Foreman, and all the other guys you list weren't COMPLETE fighters which is why I state Ali would have trouble with the guys like Lewis, Bowe, and Holyfield. Foreman only learned to box late in his career if he knew that in his prime he would have beaten Ali or at least gone the distance because he wouldn't have gased out


Lennox Lewis was a complete fighter, Riddick Bowe was a complete fighter, and Evander Holyfield was a complete fighter....those guys could punch with power AND box extremely well.

You can't really name ANYONE even Ali that would have an easy time with those guys.

[The Promoter]

Fine Ali was smaller than Earnie Terrell...Joe Louis was smaller than Buddy Baer and Primo Carnera but it doesn't make those guys great. Ali had plenty of skill but the big guys of his era: Terrell, Foreman, and all the other guys you list weren't COMPLETE fighters which is why I state Ali would have trouble with the guys like Lewis, Bowe, and Holyfield. Foreman only learned to box late in his career if he knew that in his prime he would have beaten Ali or at least gone the distance because he wouldn't have gased out


Lennox Lewis was a complete fighter, Riddick Bowe was a complete fighter, and Evander Holyfield was a complete fighter....those guys could punch with power AND box extremely well.

You can't really name ANYONE even Ali that would have an easy time with those guys.

"Foreman only learned to box late in his career" ?!?!? Foreman was a DOMINANT amateur that won an Olympic Gold Medal for chrissake it was only perhaps the greatest fighter of all time that beat him in his prime (and Ali was well beyond his)...As for LL, Riddick Bowe and Evander I would agree that none are an easy fight but my money would certainly be on a prime Ali...I would only add that Wlad WOULD be an easy fight for Ali for a multiple of reasons...

[El Kabong]

Foreman didn't BOX in the amateurs he just brawled....George had only been in boxing for 1 year before he won Gold in Mexico City.....so NO he didn't know how to BOX that was something he had to learn over his pro career and when I say box I mean BOX hit and not get hit, use the jab, and so on.

[El Kabong]

He wasn't Willie Pep in there and he wasn't even Lennox Lewis or Felix Savon....he did what he did in the pros only he didn't hit hard (like he did in the pros) until he trained with Sonny Liston

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NABqIWMCvI0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLv-Ye-HHC4


Foreman was just a brute in there....there is no "boxing" only brawling



And who did Ali have more trouble with? Foreman or the guys who could box with him?