Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
He wasn't Willie Pep in there and he wasn't even Lennox Lewis or Felix Savon....he did what he did in the pros only he didn't hit hard (like he did in the pros) until he trained with Sonny Liston

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NABqIWMCvI0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLv-Ye-HHC4


Foreman was just a brute in there....there is no "boxing" only brawling



And who did Ali have more trouble with? Foreman or the guys who could box with him?
Foreman was 22-4 as an amateur and while he started relatively late at 17 he quickly became dominant, yes it was mosly do to his power...but unlike other big hitters he knew how to use his size and power and not much changed when he came back after retiring for ten years...the only difference was that what were mid-tier fighter in his first career were now top contenders and champions...face it if foreman was just "a brute" his career would have been no more than George Chuvalo's but Foreman was a great deal more..If what you say is true then George should have had siginficantly more decision victories in his "second career", did he?...If you want to argue about how fighters today are so much bigger, stronger and better how can you explain the success of RJJ, James Toney, Chris Byrd, Evander Holyfield and Michael Moorer at heavyweight?

Now getting back to Ali-Foreman, first Ali's legs were done when hey fought in 74 it was his wits that took Foreman's heart and belt that night...To this day big George says the reason he never got his rematch was that "I didn't want one"... you see, even a declining Ali had the ability to beat his opponents in so many ways...

I was unaware that Foreman ever trained with Liston and since he was knocking everyone out in the amateurs I didn't think he needed anyone to teach him how to hit...