Ever heard of undefeated Heavyweight Malik Scott?

[El Kabong]

....Jesus dude...Foreman was a freak of nature he won the Olympics with only a year of boxing to go on and won another heavyweight title at 45 years old and it's not because the fighters were easy.

Holyfield is 45 right now do you see him beating guys like Foreman did when he came back? Earnie Shavers and Larry Holmes fought long in their careers and they never achieved the success late in their careers that George did. If it was more of the status quo that fighters maintain power for that long then Mike Tyson would still be around as a top level fighter. Foreman in his comeback was a faaaaaar different fighter than in his Prime...in his prime he was a hook and uppercut puncher and in his comeback he threw the 1-2 for the most part.

My reasoning is that if Foreman threw the 1-2 more vs Ali he would have #1 kept Ali from countering as good as he did kit would be impossible to stop him completely but keeping distance with your punches would make Ali have to reach out more when he countered therefore making him easier to counter back #2 If Foreman was more measured in his attack he wouldn't have wore himself out


Ali won because Foreman didn't throw straight punches and therefore didn't connect cleanly but me explaining how Ali had SOME flaws and IS human is like talking to a brick wall.....I get attacked for not respecting Ali....actually when you add in his flaws his career is MORE impressive but hey who am I to try and explain this kind of stuff....Ali was a God and needed his own division because mere mortals shouldn't even be allowed to mention his name let alone step in the ring with him.

[rjj tszyu]

....Jesus dude...Foreman was a freak of nature he won the Olympics with only a year of boxing to go on and won another heavyweight title at 45 years old and it's not because the fighters were easy.

Holyfield is 45 right now do you see him beating guys like Foreman did when he came back? Earnie Shavers and Larry Holmes fought long in their careers and they never achieved the success late in their careers that George did. If it was more of the status quo that fighters maintain power for that long then Mike Tyson would still be around as a top level fighter. Foreman in his comeback was a faaaaaar different fighter than in his Prime...in his prime he was a hook and uppercut puncher and in his comeback he threw the 1-2 for the most part.

My reasoning is that if Foreman threw the 1-2 more vs Ali he would have #1 kept Ali from countering as good as he did kit would be impossible to stop him completely but keeping distance with your punches would make Ali have to reach out more when he countered therefore making him easier to counter back #2 If Foreman was more measured in his attack he wouldn't have wore himself out


Ali won because Foreman didn't throw straight punches and therefore didn't connect cleanly but me explaining how Ali had SOME flaws and IS human is like talking to a brick wall.....I get attacked for not respecting Ali....actually when you add in his flaws his career is MORE impressive but hey who am I to try and explain this kind of stuff....Ali was a God and needed his own division because mere mortals shouldn't even be allowed to mention his name let alone step in the ring with him.

Lyle I know Ali had his flaws. The main one being he was suseptible to a good left hook (Frazier+Cooper). He was never really troubled too badly by the 1-2. What perople are trying to say is basically look through history at the great heavys and very rare do you get one above 230lbs, the only real exception being Lennox but even he IMO wasn't as good as a prime Holyfield and got him at the right time!

[El Kabong]

We're just going to have to agree to disagree

[amat]

Come on guys, don't give Ali any credit for anything when Lyle is in the thread. You should know better.

[rjj tszyu]

Come on guys, don't give Ali any credit for anything when Lyle is in the thread. You should know better.

I KNOW I KNOW! But what can I say? GOAT= Cassius Marcellus Clay (AKA Muhammad Ali)

[El Kabong]

Come on guys, don't give Ali any credit for anything when Lyle is in the thread. You should know better.

I give Ali credit but when I critique him as a fighter people think that I don't think Ali is as great as he actually was and that is a mistake on your part.


Ali was indeed a great fighter footwork, handspeed, and a crafty type of power more reliant on speed and accuracy which overwhelmed his opponents.