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    Default Re: This needs bringing up: HBO and its grosse bias!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Markusdarkus View Post
    I felt sick watching Cotto/Margarito after every round they only showed Cottos good work they chose to speak over Tonys good work then break off when Cotto scrored a pitter patter left hook it was sick!

    Then the worst comment of them all after the sixth a round in which Tony clearly dominated we had this:

    Max Kellerman: Cotto is clearly dominating this round and the fight

    WTF.
    I had Miguel winning all 6 of the first 6 rounds.

    Cotto lands nothing that is "pitter patter" Toni just has a hell of a chin

    Not sure how anyone could score the 2nd or 6th round to Cotto but everyone sees fights different i suppose. I also think at the elite level Cottos is not a murderous puncher it took him 11rds to beat Zab and didnt once hurt Mosley or Margarito the two best fighters he has faced.

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    Default Re: This needs bringing up: HBO and its grosse bias!

    Zab Judah fought a good fight vs Cotto...and considering the only other guy to KO Zab is Kostya Tszyu that should tell you how hard Cotto punches.

    Shane Mosley has NEVER been stopped and only once been down to my knowledge and that was vs a healthy Vernon Forrest who was a very good puncher until he got hurt. And if you watch the fight you can see Shane didn't enjoy being hit like that.

    Margarito's chin is amazing...everyone who wants to KO him is fighting at a HUGE disadvantage.

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    Default Re: This needs bringing up: HBO and its grosse bias!

    Tony does have an amazing chin but i dont think Cotto is a huge puncher at the elite level. All the top guys he has stopped have been stopped before or since.

    He hits hard 4real but he is a break you down kind of power puncher and to do that he needs to get close and in doing so leaves that chin open.

    I just wonder weather Cotto chose to fight against the ropes or that Tony cut the ring down that well he couldnt find the centre ring.

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    Default Re: This needs bringing up: HBO and its grosse bias!

    ...he would have done better to catch Tony coming in while Cotto's back was on the ropes and circling out to trap Tony on the ropes throwing a combination tying up and moving waaaaaay across the ring off the break.


    But all that moving and punching, nobody could have kept that up along with getting hit in return. The kid has a ton of heart

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    Default Re: This needs bringing up: HBO and its grosse bias!

    A good friend of mine who doesnt get to watch half the fights i do asked this very question last night to which i simply could only answer "boxing politics"

    How often have we seen this kind of crap going on with HBO. lederman thankfully called the fight very well last night apart from giving 9 to marg and 10 to cotto to which i disagreed.

    But this happens all to often, lederman scoring a fight marquez clearly won for barrera, almost flipping in judgement of morales-barrera the very fight barrera became a HBO man and morales dared to criticise.

    Foreman blowing james toneys dick at every single moment of his 2 fights with montell griffin claiming shut outs in both fights despite the obvious fact montell won both.

    Most self respecting boxing fans dont get lead by the blind and take HBOs telecast as nothing more than a couple of ring commentators calling it as they see!!
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    Default Re: This needs bringing up: HBO and its grosse bias!

    Max Kellerman was horrible and I actually missed Larry Merchant. Cotto won some of the early rounds, but did not "dominate" any round. The fight was close going into the 11th, but Magaritos relentless pressure and ability to walk through Cottos punches in addition to his body punches and punch output, wore down Cotto physically and mentally. Both men fought as best as they could, but Margarito was the better man last night. Great night for boxing and it shows you dont need to trash talk before a fight to have a classic fight for the fans. Cotto is a warrior and will be back on top, and Margarito finally gets the respect he deserves...Great undercard too.
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    Default Re: This needs bringing up: HBO and its grosse bias!

    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoom View Post
    Cotto won some of the early rounds, but did not "dominate" any round.
    He wasn't dominating, but he did edge out just about every round from 1 to 7, which on paper would like like he was dominating.

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    Default Re: This needs bringing up: HBO and its grosse bias!

    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoom View Post
    Max Kellerman was horrible and I actually missed Larry Merchant. Cotto won some of the early rounds, but did not "dominate" any round. The fight was close going into the 11th, but Magaritos relentless pressure and ability to walk through Cottos punches in addition to his body punches and punch output, wore down Cotto physically and mentally. Both men fought as best as they could, but Margarito was the better man last night. Great night for boxing and it shows you dont need to trash talk before a fight to have a classic fight for the fans. Cotto is a warrior and will be back on top, and Margarito finally gets the respect he deserves...Great undercard too.
    I don't think anyone mentioned this before! It reminds me of Pavlik v Taylor and Pacquiao v Morales type fights. There was no trash talking before the fights, but two people talking with their fists.

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    Default Re: This needs bringing up: HBO and its grosse bias!

    Their round by round scoring wasn't all that bad and they were a little biased when calling Cottos shots. I had Margarito clearly winning round 2 and I gave him round 6 in a close one as well.

    They really missed the boat in the ones story though. The story of this fight was the aggression and body work wearing Cotto down. He looked so much faster in the 1st 5 rounds, but he didn't protect the body and he was eventually gonna slow down. When Tony almost drop him with a body shot in round 2 I thought Cotto probably had some cracked ribs on his right side.

    Cotto was so much quicker that Tony couldn't land a right to save his life, but he just kept pounding away at the body and Cotto slowed and tired enough to get hit in the head. He broke him down, he broke his will. You could see it by the 7th that Cotto was not going to win the fight. At that point he wasn't moving as well, he was just backing up to get away. He was already exhausted and the Body shots in the later rounds took his will to fight. By rounds 10 and 11, I was in fear for Cotto's safety.

    Also it seemed Cottos shots had so much less steam after round 6, this was also a result of the body work. The announcers really blew a text book chance to educate the fans about the value of a good body attack and they showed considerable bias instead.

    The body work won this fight early. I also thought Mayweather won the Hatton fight with the body work he did early. Its like putting money in the bank for later in the fight. Eventually your opponent will slow and weaken if you can sustain an early body attack. And Margarito, like Floyd, will keep going to the body even when a guy is hurt to the head. Margarito was maybe a little hurt a couple times, but never seriously. It seemed Cotto's punches were never really turned over, even when he snapped the head. Margarito has a chin of steel. Margarito also completely sold out to protect his own body. After the 1st round, I don't think he though Cotto could hurt him so he left himself a little more open to the head while dominating the body exchange. Its really the only way he couldv'e won the fight. If Cotto couldv'e protected the body, he wouldn't have tired and he would have won a wide decision. The post fight was crap. You could tell HBO was unhappy that their guy got KOed.

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    Default Re: This needs bringing up: HBO and its grosse bias!

    I also had Cotto winning the first 6 rounds. HBO with the exception of Manny was bias as normal. Margarito was landing some good shots even in the first 6 rounds and they kind of went un notice.

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    Default Re: This needs bringing up: HBO and its grosse bias!

    I normally like max but he just really annoyed me this fight. everytime he spoke he just pissed me off. It's like everytime he spoke he was trying to prove that he knows boxing.

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    Default Re: This needs bringing up: HBO and its grosse bias!

    Truth be told, while Cotto was a vicious knockout artist at junior welter, i agree with many of the posters that he is more of a volume puncher at welterweight, especially when faced with an immaculate chin to the likes of tony margarito. But at times he looked the way jermain taylor did against winky wright. in the rare event of a clinch, bayless would separate them and he would walk backwards right into the ropes. I believe he thought that standing in the center of the ring and trading with tony would be suicide, which isnt too far from the truth. But margarito hit paydirt with those uppercuts, and manny steward has said in many telecasts that cotto is susceptible to uppercuts. the way he holds his hands leaves him open up the center. if you saw the judah-cotto fight, zab realized that was his best shot at stoppin cotto. In round two he landed the first good one and you saw him keep tryin it the rest of the night. ricardo torres back and junior welter caught cotto with uppercuts. cotto, defensively has some mechanical issues. and judging from his emotional postfight interviews on espn, the loss did more damage psychologically.
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    Default Re: This needs bringing up: HBO and its grosse bias!

    Quote Originally Posted by JSwift View Post
    Truth be told, while Cotto was a vicious knockout artist at junior welter, i agree with many of the posters that he is more of a volume puncher at welterweight, especially when faced with an immaculate chin to the likes of tony margarito. But at times he looked the way jermain taylor did against winky wright. in the rare event of a clinch, bayless would separate them and he would walk backwards right into the ropes. I believe he thought that standing in the center of the ring and trading with tony would be suicide, which isnt too far from the truth. But margarito hit paydirt with those uppercuts, and manny steward has said in many telecasts that cotto is susceptible to uppercuts. the way he holds his hands leaves him open up the center. if you saw the judah-cotto fight, zab realized that was his best shot at stoppin cotto. In round two he landed the first good one and you saw him keep tryin it the rest of the night. ricardo torres back and junior welter caught cotto with uppercuts. cotto, defensively has some mechanical issues. and judging from his emotional postfight interviews on espn, the loss did more damage psychologically.
    Agreed, I'm still waiting for Mosely to start throwing uppercuts, that fight was his for the taking if he only threw the uppercut. Floyd has a great uppercut and thats what he would beat Cotto with.

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