Cotto's first loss loike Tszyus first loss?

[donnydarkoIRL]

Tszyu was in the worst shape of his whole career for that fight whereas Cotto looked in good shape but tired because of breathing problems. If Tszyu had a rematch with Phillips I would have fancied him to KO him. The guy is one of the best punchers p4p in history and he had one off bad night. I'm not sure Cotto would beat Margo in a rematch but i wouldn't write him off!

tbh I thgink Cotto tired because of the amount of movement he had to do alongside the fact that Tony was pounding his ribs at every given opportunity.

Sorry yes course he did. Just read my post again sounds like I'm making excuses for Cotto. It was a mixture of a lot of things, like you say he was using a lot of movement which was sure to catch up with him and that coupled with the fact Toni was banging him with fierce body shots and the fact he will have been struggling to breathe all accumulated to him tiring and being stopped by he better man on the night.

You're right, I understand now what you mean my man.
The nose certainly was an issue.
He did well to do so well with it for what 8-9 rounds?

Margarito was conditioned like a 15 round fighter.

[Markusdarkus]

Nothing like the Phillips vs Tszyu fight that was seen more as a one off fluke.

people see 5 defeats and think hmm but the guy lost 3x before he was 18yo so really they mean squat the Santos loss was a cut eye. And he lost to Williams by one round, Margarito will beat Cotto quicker if they fought again Cotto will again lose heart mid fight when Tony is running him down he knows he cant stop him.

[amat]

The Phillips fight was in no way a fluke. There wasn't many who could do it, but Tszyu just didn't like raw pressure like that provided by Phillips it's just that there were only 2 guys in his career who were able to provide that type of pressure.

It's a good comparision, I see some people talking down on Cotto after this but no one is going to beat Cotto the same way Tony did because there is just no one else like Tony at 147.

[Markusdarkus]

Its nothing alike.

Phillips like Rahman did very little before or after.Margarito was already a solid 2x champion and took his 3rd title off Cotto. The difference in levels is vast.

[amat]

OK but if you look at the style matchup which is actually what determines fights not career accomplishments, Phillips was a nightmare matchup for Tszyu for the reasons I stated much the same way Margarito is a bad match up for Cotto.

[rjj tszyu]

OK but if you look at the style matchup which is actually what determines fights not career accomplishments, Phillips was a nightmare matchup for Tszyu for the reasons I stated much the same way Margarito is a bad match up for Cotto.

Yes but as ive mentioned before Tszyu was in terrible shape going into that fight. He admits he was beggining to feel invincible and was not training like he should and even got out of shape between fights which he never did again even when he was injured for nearly 2 years. It taught him a big lesson which he learned from and then went unbeaten until he was almost 36 when he was certainly a bit over the hill.

[Mr140]

Margrito loses when he was younger dont count for me but his loses to Paul and Santos i can see were because they were his size or bigger. I have watch alot of Margrito and seems to me that he has trouble when he not the bigger man just do not know what it is but seems mess him up.

[ssss]

Why do people keep saying he lost to Daniel Santos ? that was a hometown decision for Daniel Santos Antonio Margarito deserved to win and if anyone has watched the fight they would know that themselves plus that was at 154.............

He did lose to Paul Williams fair a square due to Paul Williams being bad style match up Antonio Margarito looking past Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito taking too long to warm up..........

As for this thread its nothing like Vince Phillips vs Kostya Tszyu Antonio Margarito was an avoided fighter and had defended his world title multiple times where as Vince Phillips was never seen as avoided name and was just seen as a one hit wonder mediocre fighter i can see your point regarding styles because Vince Phillips did put on alot of pressure and broke Kostya Tszyu's will similar to Antonio Margarito vs Miguel Cotto but thats where the comparison ends.

[ono]

Nothing like the Phillips vs Tszyu fight that was seen more as a one off fluke.

people see 5 defeats and think hmm but the guy lost 3x before he was 18yo so really they mean squat the Santos loss was a cut eye. And he lost to Williams by one round, Margarito will beat Cotto quicker if they fought again Cotto will again lose heart mid fight when Tony is running him down he knows he cant stop him.

If they rematch i just see it being similar to Pavlik - Taylor 2, with Cotto trying to survive an a close fight. That's about as good as i see it getting for Cotto. I'd give him practically 10% chance, at best of beating Tony.

On the other hand, there's a chance that Cotto won't be mentally strong enough to take punishment for anywhere near 11 rounds. So yeah it could be over even quicker.

I just see Tony winning everytime to be honest. I think Cotto is better in most aspects (especially technical) but Margario's will is awesome.