Cotto's first loss loike Tszyus first loss?

[Markusdarkus]

Its nothing alike.

Phillips like Rahman did very little before or after.Margarito was already a solid 2x champion and took his 3rd title off Cotto. The difference in levels is vast.

[amat]

OK but if you look at the style matchup which is actually what determines fights not career accomplishments, Phillips was a nightmare matchup for Tszyu for the reasons I stated much the same way Margarito is a bad match up for Cotto.

[rjj tszyu]

OK but if you look at the style matchup which is actually what determines fights not career accomplishments, Phillips was a nightmare matchup for Tszyu for the reasons I stated much the same way Margarito is a bad match up for Cotto.

Yes but as ive mentioned before Tszyu was in terrible shape going into that fight. He admits he was beggining to feel invincible and was not training like he should and even got out of shape between fights which he never did again even when he was injured for nearly 2 years. It taught him a big lesson which he learned from and then went unbeaten until he was almost 36 when he was certainly a bit over the hill.

[Mr140]

Margrito loses when he was younger dont count for me but his loses to Paul and Santos i can see were because they were his size or bigger. I have watch alot of Margrito and seems to me that he has trouble when he not the bigger man just do not know what it is but seems mess him up.

[ssss]

Why do people keep saying he lost to Daniel Santos ? that was a hometown decision for Daniel Santos Antonio Margarito deserved to win and if anyone has watched the fight they would know that themselves plus that was at 154.............

He did lose to Paul Williams fair a square due to Paul Williams being bad style match up Antonio Margarito looking past Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito taking too long to warm up..........

As for this thread its nothing like Vince Phillips vs Kostya Tszyu Antonio Margarito was an avoided fighter and had defended his world title multiple times where as Vince Phillips was never seen as avoided name and was just seen as a one hit wonder mediocre fighter i can see your point regarding styles because Vince Phillips did put on alot of pressure and broke Kostya Tszyu's will similar to Antonio Margarito vs Miguel Cotto but thats where the comparison ends.

[Mr140]

Look all i said was that Tony struggles with fighters that are as big as him or bigger look the Santos fight was close and do not care about the weight divsion and Paul yet another fighter Tony had no size advantage over and made him look bad and not like the tough mexican terminator i think because of Tonys style he has trouble with bigger guys he faces so anything over welter do not think he while do well so i hope he gets all the fights he can because he can not keep this weight for ever it is impossible.

[ssss]

Look all i said was that Tony struggles with fighters that are as big as him or bigger look the Santos fight was close and do not care about the weight divsion and Paul yet another fighter Tony had no size advantage over and made him look bad and not like the tough mexican terminator i think because of Tonys style he has trouble with bigger guys he faces so anything over welter do not think he while do well so i hope he gets all the fights he can because he can not keep this weight for ever it is impossible.

Not to sound disrecpectful but i actually wasn't talking to you my comment was directed at the topic creator if my comment was directed at you i would of quoted you and of course it matters if Antonio Margarito lost at a higher weight class...........

Because his physical advantages aren't as apparant at that weight class nor is his strength i thought that was obvious...........

And like i'll say again anybody who watched Daniel Santos vs Antonio Margarito knows it was a gift decision for Daniel Santos.

[Mr140]

Sorry all i am saying is that it is a surprise how much of a difference it does make when coming to Tony its like watching a different fighter.