Coxxyx

[Sharla]

A wonderfull piece of your Anatomy where its situated in relation to the feet and headis everything in regards to punching and avoiding one, your thoughts.

Hi Scrap (and all)

This is my first post on the forum, so let me start by saying I love this place, very informative forum with a lot of interesting discussion. I'm not a boxer, I practice a chinese/s.e.asian martial art, but I hope to start at a boxing gym in the near future (I have the greatest respect for boxing in the world)...

Anyway, I just wanted to chime in that within the context of chinese martial arts, there is a very direct relationship between the coccyx, the perineum, and the head (and the hips). One of the skills we work on is being able to tell when someone does not have the coccyx oriented properly, and then taking advantage of it.

It's really interesting to hear that this focus exists in boxing as well. I've always thought of the coccyx being off as being the reason why it's easy to pull or throw an opponent, but now that you say it, I can see how it could be used for punching as well...

Great stuff!

-Ben

Interesting Ben thanks - can you elaborate on some of the signals or clues you might look for to tell whether or not your opponent's coccyx is off?

[benfish]

Hi Sharla,

There are a lot of different types of signals to look for. These are the ones most relevant to boxing (the ones you can look for before you close with your opponent)

If your opponent shuffles in or out (or any time they step) watch how they land. If they land "solid" that means their ankle/knee/hip are all open correctly. If you see a very slight rock or wobble onto either the heel or the toe that means they're correcting for a problem (usually the coccyx).

It can be very slight.

Look at their neck for signs of muscular tension (this should be easier with boxers than with overweight martial artists ). If their stance is correct, the chin should be slightly tucked to extend/stretch the spine. This should relax the muscles around the neck. If you see little ropy muscles (like what you'd see if you were clenching your teeth or tugging your head to one side or the other) they're compensating.

Lastly, look to see if they are hunching. If someone hunches they tend to overtuck the coccyx. Not always, especially if you look at sambo and greco roman guys, but otherwise it's you can usuall count on some overtucking.

These are the easiest signs to explain on a messageboard. Most of the training we do to feel the structure is after contact has been made. If the ideas I wrote about up there don't make sense, I can try to explain the heart of the idea from our perspective. I tried finding a good example on youtube to show you, but it's hard to explain without being able to demonstrate...

-Ben

[Youngblood]

Welcome benfish to Saddos, and thank you for adding to topics you know and understand.

I haven't as yet jumped in this thread, but have been following, largely because where I am at in my boxing experience, while I do find such things of interest....I feel this type of thought while intriguing and important, when fighting or sparring, I might find myself pondering them...and getting knocked on my ass. lol

So I enjoy adding about that what I know...which is limited, and reading about that which I do not.

Again, welcome.

[Scrap]

Heres a little thing you can try Youngblood it will make your ability improve, Boxing stance moving forward throwing a double jab and moving the feet twice as you should. With your 2nd jab left in front of you, from that stance. Now try walking forward moving the front foot first if you cant your Coxxyx head and feet are not where thjey should be, try it

[Scrap]

Oh and great post Ben fish

[Von Milash]

Heres a little thing you can try Youngblood it will make your ability improve, Boxing stance moving forward throwing a double jab and moving the feet twice as you should. With your 2nd jab left in front of you, from that stance. Now try walking forward moving the front foot first if you cant your Coxxyx head and feet are not where thjey should be, try it

I tried it. I could do it. I guess I'm golden (or fundamentally sound).

[Youngblood]

Heres a little thing you can try Youngblood it will make your ability improve, Boxing stance moving forward throwing a double jab and moving the feet twice as you should. With your 2nd jab left in front of you, from that stance. Now try walking forward moving the front foot first if you cant your Coxxyx head and feet are not where thjey should be, try it

I tried it. I could do it. I guess I'm golden (or fundamentally sound).

I had a hard workout today Scrap, stretching, a lot of core work and warm up padwork and skipping. Have a run planned for tonight. I will give this a go tomorrow at the gym. Thanks!

[Youngblood]

]Heres a little thing you can try Youngblood it will make your ability improve, Boxing stance moving forward throwing a double jab and moving the feet twice as you should. With your 2nd jab left in front of you, from that stance. Now try walking forward moving the front foot first if you cant your Coxxyx head and feet are not where thjey should be, try it [/b]

I tried it. I could do it. I guess I'm golden (or fundamentally sound).

I had a hard workout today Scrap, stretching, a lot of core work and warm up padwork and skipping. Have a run planned for tonight. I will give this a go tomorrow at the gym. Thanks!

Ha Scrap. That is a cool test of balance. I am okay, but I tried throwing several ways to see what you meant, and if you are slightly off balance...you cannot step forward with your left foot after you throw the second jab, period...without landing on your face!

I purposefully over extended just a little to figure out what you were getting at.

[Sharla]

Hi Sharla,

There are a lot of different types of signals to look for. These are the ones most relevant to boxing (the ones you can look for before you close with your opponent)

If your opponent shuffles in or out (or any time they step) watch how they land. If they land "solid" that means their ankle/knee/hip are all open correctly. If you see a very slight rock or wobble onto either the heel or the toe that means they're correcting for a problem (usually the coccyx).

It can be very slight.

Look at their neck for signs of muscular tension (this should be easier with boxers than with overweight martial artists ). If their stance is correct, the chin should be slightly tucked to extend/stretch the spine. This should relax the muscles around the neck. If you see little ropy muscles (like what you'd see if you were clenching your teeth or tugging your head to one side or the other) they're compensating.

Lastly, look to see if they are hunching. If someone hunches they tend to overtuck the coccyx. Not always, especially if you look at sambo and greco roman guys, but otherwise it's you can usuall count on some overtucking.

These are the easiest signs to explain on a messageboard. Most of the training we do to feel the structure is after contact has been made. If the ideas I wrote about up there don't make sense, I can try to explain the heart of the idea from our perspective. I tried finding a good example on youtube to show you, but it's hard to explain without being able to demonstrate...

-Ben

Awesome Benfish - i've got a lot to think about there and i'll try to keep it in mind and see what i can spot just with the people around me i guess! f you ever do find a vid I'd be really interested in watching it!

Heres a little thing you can try Youngblood it will make your ability improve, Boxing stance moving forward throwing a double jab and moving the feet twice as you should. With your 2nd jab left in front of you, from that stance. Now try walking forward moving the front foot first if you cant your Coxxyx head and feet are not where thjey should be, try it

Scrap i was in a gym for a while which taught a sort of skip for footwork with the double jab rather than 2 steps. Is this wrong - an adaption just to make up for the fact that many of us have our coccyx out or jsut a different technique?

[Scrap]

Sharla I dont understand to be honest

[Sharla]

Sharla I dont understand to be honest

Well the fact that you don't know what I mean probably isn't a good sign for what i was taught with the skip/shuffle footwork for the double jab.

I'll have to think about how I can better explain myself and try again when I'm not sleep deprived and actually have some communicative ability!