Jesse Jackson wants to cut Obama's nuts off

[El Kabong]

Come on, Lyle. Offshore drilling isn't going to do anything for us. The companies doing the drilling are not obligated to sell their oil exclusively to us. They can sell to anybody- more than likely China considering they're just doling out cash to anyone with oil and have only increased their demand. I'm not saying don't drill, but don't think that's going to help anything- especially within the next decade.

It's not the point that they sell it exclusively to us it's that MORE OIL on the market means lower prices and when we sell it AMERICAN COMPANIES get the money and not foreign companies.

The Democrats don't want wars abroad I disagree, they'll stick their nose in a different country's business BUT the media will applaud them for doing a great thing. Somalia, Bosnia....these places ringing any bells

[Kirkland Laing]

Come on, Lyle. Offshore drilling isn't going to do anything for us. The companies doing the drilling are not obligated to sell their oil exclusively to us. They can sell to anybody- more than likely China considering they're just doling out cash to anyone with oil and have only increased their demand. I'm not saying don't drill, but don't think that's going to help anything- especially within the next decade.

It's not the point that they sell it exclusively to us it's that MORE OIL on the market means lower prices and when we sell it AMERICAN COMPANIES get the money and not foreign companies.

The Democrats don't want wars abroad I disagree, they'll stick their nose in a different country's business BUT the media will applaud them for doing a great thing. Somalia, Bosnia....these places ringing any bells

It doesn't mean lower prices at all. Offshore drilling won't make gas one cent cheaper. If they started offshore drilling tomorrow on the leases they do have by the time they produce any oil US domestic demand would have increased more than the new production so no decrease in the price. US oil companies already have a ton of leases that they haven't bothered drilling yet and it'd be the same with any new ones they get. What they want is new leases in their balance sheet so that's now official Bush administation policy.

Every US administration gets involved in foreign countries militarily. There have been over 80 US military foreign interventions since WW2. The Democrats didn't mange to spend trillions of dollars and over 4000 US lives and counting in handing the world's second-largest oil reserve over to the Iranians though. Only the genius Bush managed to do that.

[El Kabong]

Kirkland if the speculators move the market then YES even talking about drilling happening in the US would mean an immediate drop in oil prices in the futures market and that would then lower the price of gas.


Not making more power plants won't help....wind and solar alone aren't going to be enough.

[Kirkland Laing]

Kirkland if the speculators move the market then YES even talking about drilling happening in the US would mean an immediate drop in oil prices in the futures market and that would then lower the price of gas.


Not making more power plants won't help....wind and solar alone aren't going to be enough.

The long-term outlook for speculators in capital markets is generally the end of the current financial quarter. Let's be generous and say the end of the year. So exactly what effect does a potential new source of oil that could hit the market a decade from now have on the current market? None at all, obviously. Oil futures contracts for delivery of oil a decade from now don't even exist yet, how can they have an effect on today's prices? Same answer.

There are endless technologies to produce new fuels ither than wind and solar. There's a firm currently growing genetically modified bacteria that eat agricultural waste and shit crude oil. There are hundreds of projects like this being started with the very great potential that one of them will solve the current energy problem overnight, another reason why what some offshore field might produce a decade from now is irrelevant to current prices.


Scientists find bugs that eat waste and excrete petrol

Silicon Valley is experimenting with bacteria that have been genetically altered to provide 'renewable petroleum'



Scientists find bugs that eat waste and excrete petrol - Times Online

[Kirkland Laing]

The fact that the media are actually taking this whole McCain offshore drilling policy sseriously is a reflection on the general piss poor job they do of informing people what actually goes on in the world. Every article and report about the MvcCain campaign's offshore policy should contain in the first paragraph " Offshore drilling would have no effect on current oil prices and a negligible effect when the oil does come online a decade from now. It also wouldn't alter the current and future global oil supply shortage problem either even if all potential fields were fully exploited." Instead they take that shit seriously when it's total bs.

[El Kabong]

So if we were to strike oil like say BRAZIL did it would have no effect on oil prices?

If we were to build more refineries and produce more gasoline that would have no effect on prices?


Guys bomb pipelines in Nigeria and that bumps the price up but if we find and produce more oil the price will stay the same?!?!

That reasoning (if you can call it that) would mean that supply and demand have nothing to do with oil prices but actions like bombing pipelines have a lot to do with prices......oh and then there's that little deal where OPEC says it'll cut production therefore making the price go up due to the law of supply and demand.....but I suppose that's just a coincidence.


And OIL isn't the only thing worth drilling for Natural Gas is a big source of power which T. Boone Pickins wants us to use to supplement wind and solar power (because you need to supplement those kinds of power). But I suppose you don't figure they will find any of that here either.

Obama doesn't want ANY drilling and therefore we would be stuck waiting for the Energy Fairy to make us energy independent or have any remote effect on the price of oil......ooooh maybe he'll pull a Jimmy Carter and wear a sweater oh that would be awesome....and then maybe the government could control our thermostats....totally cool! Kirkland you think of everything, I should outsource my worries about the heat or cold to the government....what a load off my mind, now I can focus on important things like gun control and world peace

[Wayne]

So if we were to strike oil like say BRAZIL did it would have no effect on oil prices?

If we were to build more refineries and produce more gasoline that would have no effect on prices?


Guys bomb pipelines in Nigeria and that bumps the price up but if we find and produce more oil the price will stay the same?!?!

That reasoning (if you can call it that) would mean that supply and demand have nothing to do with oil prices but actions like bombing pipelines have a lot to do with prices......oh and then there's that little deal where OPEC says it'll cut production therefore making the price go up due to the law of supply and demand.....but I suppose that's just a coincidence.


And OIL isn't the only thing worth drilling for Natural Gas is a big source of power which T. Boone Pickins wants us to use to supplement wind and solar power (because you need to supplement those kinds of power). But I suppose you don't figure they will find any of that here either.

Obama doesn't want ANY drilling and therefore we would be stuck waiting for the Energy Fairy to make us energy independent or have any remote effect on the price of oil......ooooh maybe he'll pull a Jimmy Carter and wear a sweater oh that would be awesome....and then maybe the government could control our thermostats....totally cool! Kirkland you think of everything, I should outsource my worries about the heat or cold to the government....what a load off my mind, now I can focus on important things like gun control and world peace

T. Boone Pickens. If I'm not mistaken, the oil magnate just testified before Congress saying we have to diversify our energy resources. Right?

Offshore drilling would have an effect on prices here if said oil were only sold here. China has only increased its demand as every country has done, except they've been doing it exponentially. There's a company in Russia that has either begun or increased its oil production because China said they'd buy whatever these guys sucked up. So it's more like China's buying whatever's available rather than there being an additional supply for anyone to come along and purchase. More money for American oil companies does little to nothing for the bulk of the American population. That's just as big a phallacy as buying "American" cars. The point is we need to diversify energy resources and if wind and solar aren't enough other things need to be looked at. Are you paying more or less at the pump than you were a year ago? Why would you think the company that has already reemed you for years is now ready to start drilling someplace new to benefit you? In an economy that is near or at another recession and they're still posting stunning profits why in the world would anyone believe that? The drop in prices recently is only a temporary reprieve for what is coming. Prices are only going to go up with these brief temporary drops before leaping increases. If your solution is to just drill more then you deserve what you get. What's wrong with seriously considering at least moving away partially from oil?

[Wayne]

So if we were to strike oil like say BRAZIL did it would have no effect on oil prices?

Doesn't the government of Brazil own the oil companies? "We" won't strike it rich on anything.

[Kirkland Laing]

So if we were to strike oil like say BRAZIL did it would have no effect on oil prices?

If we were to build more refineries and produce more gasoline that would have no effect on prices?


Guys bomb pipelines in Nigeria and that bumps the price up but if we find and produce more oil the price will stay the same?!?!

That reasoning (if you can call it that) would mean that supply and demand have nothing to do with oil prices but actions like bombing pipelines have a lot to do with prices......oh and then there's that little deal where OPEC says it'll cut production therefore making the price go up due to the law of supply and demand.....but I suppose that's just a coincidence.


And OIL isn't the only thing worth drilling for Natural Gas is a big source of power which T. Boone Pickins wants us to use to supplement wind and solar power (because you need to supplement those kinds of power). But I suppose you don't figure they will find any of that here either.

Obama doesn't want ANY drilling and therefore we would be stuck waiting for the Energy Fairy to make us energy independent or have any remote effect on the price of oil......ooooh maybe he'll pull a Jimmy Carter and wear a sweater oh that would be awesome....and then maybe the government could control our thermostats....totally cool! Kirkland you think of everything, I should outsource my worries about the heat or cold to the government....what a load off my mind, now I can focus on important things like gun control and world peace

Oil that may come online in a decade has zero effect on current oil prices. What part of this don't you understand?

If Nigerian oil is taken off the market by pipeline attacks then that does affect the oil price, because that oil is currently being produced.

The US refiners don't want to build new refineries as it would cut their profit margins. They've been cutting refining capacity to increase profits for two decades now.

OPEC are cutting production because they're paid in dollars. Bush has printed so many dollars that they've halved in value so OPEC are demanding double the price to give them the same real income they used to have.

If you started drilling every single available US offshore field tomorrow the entire production, when it eventually hit the market, would have zero effect on oil prices because US domestic demand would have increased by far more than the new offshore production by the time it comes online. Offshore drilling is no answer whatsoever to the current energy crisis. It's completely irrelevant in the long term. That's why the Democrats aren't interested in it. If the media wasn't in the tank for the Republicans, they wouldn't let them make this bs offshore-drilling-is-the-answer argument/campaign policy. They'd call them on their bs and ask them if they had an energy policy that would actually be effective.

So if there's anything you still don't understand fully here let me know and I'll explain it more clearly.