When will it ever stop? Just give the man his due...

[Wayne]

I am rolling here when I read some of the comments on threads concerning Antonio Margarito....I see things like "Margarito is too slow to beat Andre Berto" ...and "Until Margarito beats Williams in a rematch I won't give him his due"......

I am seriously thinking about starting a 12 step for some of you guys......

Margarito has proven himself hands down...what is there to prove? let's review a second....

3 of Tony's 5 losses came early on in his career..so early they can not be discredited on his resume due to the fact we have a hell of a lot more guys out there current and past that have more losses then he does and they came later in their careers.....

His only stoppage was on cuts....A valid stoppage yes but when I hear people say Vitaly beat Lennox and Lennox was lucky due to the cut stoppage I have to question peoples opinions of valid stoppages and losses...The cards were pretty even at the time of the stoppage as well...

The loss to Paul Williams was more due to Margarito waiting too long to step it up then anything....Tony was taking care of business at the last part of the bout....I remember Bernard Hopkins making the same mistakes a few times especially in the Howard Eastman fight where he lost the first 5 rounds before stepping it up....It was a tactical mistake that he acknowaged the moment the fight was over and made no excuses...

He has knocked out 27 of his 37 opponents he has beaten...His last 20 opponents have had better then a 75% win ratio....11 of them better then 85%.....

He has walked through guys like Kermit Cintron (lets spare the Kermit and his mental status comments the Man was a highly touted prospect in the first outing and champion in the rematch....he also has KO's 27 of his 29 opponents he has beaten....

He practicall made Lujan a one eared man for the rest of his life..

Most recently he beat one of the sports top 5 pound for pound fighters and a man everyone was considering the best puncher in boxing Miguel Cotto...The same Cotto people were saying was boxings next greatest superstar....

And that is in no way a dig at Cotto but more a testamnet to Margarito.....

So lets spare the He is slow as a turtle comments...He is nothing more then a club fighter who has gotten lucky...No more he is not as good as people claim and all the other nonsense...

If any of that is true what does that say about the men he has beaten?...The same men many of you who are making these comments about Margarito praised before the bout with him took place.....

You don't have to like him...You don't have to praise his accomplishments...you don't even have to give him his due....

BUT....

Don't look for reasons to try and take away from what he has done...Don't look for reasons to make excuses on why he won't beat so and so especially when it comes to fighters who have yet to beat a top 10 ranked opponent.....


Let it ride as is...The man is the best 147 pound fighter in the world and he has proven that....

Paul Williams biggest accomplishment is a close win over Tony and I give him his credit but he has not accomplished even a 1/3rd of what Margarito has......

Here is a little VH1 I love the 90's flashback phrase for ya's...

Don't hate the player hate the game....and right now Antonio Margarito is the best 147lb player in the world.....

I don't like Margarito, but I agree with you except for the part about Williams. Margarito stepped it up in the second half of their fight, but Paul was anything but done. He stepped it up in the 12th and out-hustled the hustler. Williams took Margarito's title by winning the last round.

[Taeth]

You aren't giving Williams credit, he was the reason Margarito wasn't able to get off the to a quick start, and he, Paul, was boxing circles around Tony. He also survived the last few rounds to win the fight by a solid lead. I don't see how people had that as a close fight.

Also Clottey broke his hands in that fight. Would he have won if they hadn't been broken? I don't know, but he was certainly controlling the early rounds, and not in the same way as Cotto, he was taken Margarito's punches, and dishing out better ones himself, until he hurt his hands.

Margarito is a good, tough fighter, but he isn't a young Antonio Barrera or Morrales, or even JLC. Castillo got stopped when he was a teenager by cuts, he was fought everyone, his chin was amazing, but he had skill. THats all I am looking for if Margarito had good technique I wouldn't care if he was as slow as a sloth or got hit a lot, Pavlik is an example of aguy who is slow, but he has mastered the technique, and now I like him. But Margarito is exactly what I hate about boxing, a guy who takes shots willingly in the head, and uses mundane pugilism to win fights.

[oakleyno1]

margarito is a good fighter, no more imo.

he is a bad boxer and takes about 3-4 rounds to start cracking up the pace.
to his credit he has one ofthe best ever chins and punches fairly hard and his workrate is right up there.
but someone like mayweather would beat him easily it would be like baldomir all over again.

clotty and williams imo both take him because they generally have tight defences and good chins to.

you wont knock margarito out, but he isnt an elit fighter i dont think.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

This is the first fight i saw of clottey and he looked damn dangerous. Judah couldn't keep up the pace and was wearing down quite quickly before the stoppage.

[SigmaMu]

margarito is a good fighter, no more imo.

he is a bad boxer and takes about 3-4 rounds to start cracking up the pace.
to his credit he has one ofthe best ever chins and punches fairly hard and his workrate is right up there.
but someone like mayweather would beat him easily it would be like baldomir all over again.

clotty and williams imo both take him because they generally have tight defences and good chins to.

you wont knock margarito out, but he isnt an elit fighter i dont think.

He can't box for shiet but his chin, his work rate, his stamina, his power and his size are enough for him. Tony is a small Middle Weight at best who can make 147. Just imagine if he was fast and could box Man did Floyd retire just in time or what? Floyd knew what he was doing when he said he was retiring after Baldomir. Floyd might fool the people by saying who is Tony Margarito but the TRUTH is.. Floyd and his camp knew EXACTLY who the phuk Tony Margarito was and is.

But hey! Shaq can't shoot a free throw to save his own life lol That's real, you work with what God gives you.

[DaxxKahn]

margarito is a good fighter, no more imo.

he is a bad boxer and takes about 3-4 rounds to start cracking up the pace.
to his credit he has one ofthe best ever chins and punches fairly hard and his workrate is right up there.
but someone like mayweather would beat him easily it would be like baldomir all over again.

clotty and williams imo both take him because they generally have tight defences and good chins to.

you wont knock margarito out, but he isnt an elit fighter i dont think.

He can't box for shiet but his chin, his work rate, his stamina, his power and his size are enough for him. Tony is a small Middle Weight at best who can make 147. Just imagine if he was fast and could box Man did Floyd retire just in time or what? Floyd knew what he was doing when he said he was retiring after Baldomir. Floyd might fool the people by saying who is Tony Margarito but the TRUTH is.. Floyd and his camp knew EXACTLY who the phuk Tony Margarito was and is.

But hey! Shaq can't shoot a free throw to save his own life lol That's real, you work with what God gives you.

Well said and good way to sum Tony up...

[SigmaMu]

margarito is a good fighter, no more imo.

he is a bad boxer and takes about 3-4 rounds to start cracking up the pace.
to his credit he has one ofthe best ever chins and punches fairly hard and his workrate is right up there.
but someone like mayweather would beat him easily it would be like baldomir all over again.

clotty and williams imo both take him because they generally have tight defences and good chins to.

you wont knock margarito out, but he isnt an elit fighter i dont think.

He can't box for shiet but his chin, his work rate, his stamina, his power and his size are enough for him. Tony is a small Middle Weight at best who can make 147. Just imagine if he was fast and could box Man did Floyd retire just in time or what? Floyd knew what he was doing when he said he was retiring after Baldomir. Floyd might fool the people by saying who is Tony Margarito but the TRUTH is.. Floyd and his camp knew EXACTLY who the phuk Tony Margarito was and is.

But hey! Shaq can't shoot a free throw to save his own life lol That's real, you work with what God gives you.

Well said and good way to sum Tony up...

The sad thing here is... believe it or not, Tony's defence has gotten better, it's the one thing they really worked hard during camp for this fight against Miguel the funny thing is, Tony did the same thing to Miguel after a flurry of shots, Tony just kept coming foward with a huge grin on his face like he did against Cintron. That against Cintron was what made a believer out of JT_rock Anyway, I hope Margarito vs Williams is made and I hope the second fight is better than their first encounter because to be honest, I thought the first fight was a little dull but then again, I was rooting for Margarito and it was just getting frustrating to see:
1:- Williams doing too much holding
2.- Margarito fighting with his hands in his pockets in the early rounds.

The most important thing to keep in mind here is both fighters have vowed to start fast and for the most part they have although Williams against Quintana was very fast, it took Tony at least 6 rounds to get going against Cotto but I am still hoping for the rematch and I have huge expectations and I hope I am not let down again Note: Tony had to work at slowing Miguel down and he did this with uppercuts and body shots.

[leftylee]

He can't box for shiet but his chin, his work rate, his stamina, his power and his size are enough for him. Tony is a small Middle Weight at best who can make 147. Just imagine if he was fast and could box Man did Floyd retire just in time or what? Floyd knew what he was doing when he said he was retiring after Baldomir. Floyd might fool the people by saying who is Tony Margarito but the TRUTH is.. Floyd and his camp knew EXACTLY who the phuk Tony Margarito was and is.

But hey! Shaq can't shoot a free throw to save his own life lol That's real, you work with what God gives you.

Well said and good way to sum Tony up...

The sad thing here is... believe it or not, Tony's defence has gotten better, it's the one thing they really worked hard during camp for this fight against Miguel the funny thing is, Tony did the same thing to Miguel after a flurry of shots, Tony just kept coming foward with a huge grin on his face like he did against Cintron. That against Cintron was what made a believer out of JT_rock Anyway, I hope Margarito vs Williams is made and I hope the second fight is better than their first encounter because to be honest, I thought the first fight was a little dull but then again, I was rooting for Margarito and it was just getting frustrating to see:
1:- Williams doing too much holding
2.- Margarito fighting with his hands in his pockets in the early rounds.

The most important thing to keep in mind here is both fighters have vowed to start fast and for the most part they have although Williams against Quintana was very fast, it took Tony at least 6 rounds to get going against Cotto but I am still hoping for the rematch and I have huge expectations and I hope I am not let down again Note: Tony had to work at slowing Miguel down and he did this with uppercuts and body shots.

Danny G back to his finest. Talking about the welterweights and nothing more Have a round of applause Fanny

[DaxxKahn]

He can't box for shiet but his chin, his work rate, his stamina, his power and his size are enough for him. Tony is a small Middle Weight at best who can make 147. Just imagine if he was fast and could box Man did Floyd retire just in time or what? Floyd knew what he was doing when he said he was retiring after Baldomir. Floyd might fool the people by saying who is Tony Margarito but the TRUTH is.. Floyd and his camp knew EXACTLY who the phuk Tony Margarito was and is.

But hey! Shaq can't shoot a free throw to save his own life lol That's real, you work with what God gives you.

Well said and good way to sum Tony up...

The sad thing here is... believe it or not, Tony's defence has gotten better, it's the one thing they really worked hard during camp for this fight against Miguel the funny thing is, Tony did the same thing to Miguel after a flurry of shots, Tony just kept coming foward with a huge grin on his face like he did against Cintron. That against Cintron was what made a believer out of JT_rock Anyway, I hope Margarito vs Williams is made and I hope the second fight is better than their first encounter because to be honest, I thought the first fight was a little dull but then again, I was rooting for Margarito and it was just getting frustrating to see:
1:- Williams doing too much holding
2.- Margarito fighting with his hands in his pockets in the early rounds.

The most important thing to keep in mind here is both fighters have vowed to start fast and for the most part they have although Williams against Quintana was very fast, it took Tony at least 6 rounds to get going against Cotto but I am still hoping for the rematch and I have huge expectations and I hope I am not let down again Note: Tony had to work at slowing Miguel down and he did this with uppercuts and body shots.

I think Margarito has that mentality of "Lets fight Mother F***** not dance"....Hence the just walk through shots...Something very impressive yet very foolish at the same time...

I hope there is a rematch between him and Williams and exactly as you said...I hope it does not disappoint

[leftylee]

Since he OWNED Cotto Margarito has my respect.

[ssss]

You aren't giving Williams credit, he was the reason Margarito wasn't able to get off the to a quick start, and he, Paul, was boxing circles around Tony. He also survived the last few rounds to win the fight by a solid lead. I don't see how people had that as a close fight.

Also Clottey broke his hands in that fight. Would he have won if they hadn't been broken? I don't know, but he was certainly controlling the early rounds, and not in the same way as Cotto, he was taken Margarito's punches, and dishing out better ones himself, until he hurt his hands.

Margarito is a good, tough fighter, but he isn't a young Antonio Barrera or Morrales, or even JLC. Castillo got stopped when he was a teenager by cuts, he was fought everyone, his chin was amazing, but he had skill. THats all I am looking for if Margarito had good technique I wouldn't care if he was as slow as a sloth or got hit a lot, Pavlik is an example of aguy who is slow, but he has mastered the technique, and now I like him. But Margarito is exactly what I hate about boxing, a guy who takes shots willingly in the head, and uses mundane pugilism to win fights.

Antonio Margarito had a severe sprained ankle and a shoulder injury shortly before the Joshua Clottey fight he wasn't at his best........

And if you actually read up on Joshua Clottey he later admitted he didn't break his hand.

[Jesse James]

I completely agree with Daxx. People hate on Tony because he's not slick, he's not fancy, he's not fast, etc. He might not be pretty in the ring but he wins fights, isn't that what it's all about? Tony is old school. He's a throwback to the days when it was prizefighting, not boxing. You actually had to be tough and fight for a victory. Nowadays, too many fighters are primadonnas who just use their natural athletic ability to dance their way to victory. I'm not hating on guys who are naturally more talented, but I think it's a sign of extreme arrogance and elitism to hate on anyone who doesn't have the natural gifts of a Mayweather or Roy Jones. Everybody has their strengths and weaknesses, and they use what works for them. You don't have to like Tony, but the constant put downs are nothing but childishness.

It's funny that so many people say that if it wasn't for Tony's chin he wouldn't be where he is today. Well, I could say if it wasn't for Floyd's talent, he wouldn't be where he is today. That might sound silly, but think about it. Floyd is an incredibly gifted athlete by nature, it's something he didn't choose or earn. I'm not saying he doesn't work hard also, but if he didn't have the natural ability, he wouldn't be so great. All fighters work hard, but Floyd has the advantage of being blessed with an extraordinary natural ability. Does that mean we should hold that against him?

PS- Let's be honest, the real reason people hate on Tony is because they can't stand the fact that a clumsy guy with a mullet will beat their smooth, Gucci wearing, favorite fighter's ass.

[Taeth]

You aren't giving Williams credit, he was the reason Margarito wasn't able to get off the to a quick start, and he, Paul, was boxing circles around Tony. He also survived the last few rounds to win the fight by a solid lead. I don't see how people had that as a close fight.

Also Clottey broke his hands in that fight. Would he have won if they hadn't been broken? I don't know, but he was certainly controlling the early rounds, and not in the same way as Cotto, he was taken Margarito's punches, and dishing out better ones himself, until he hurt his hands.

Margarito is a good, tough fighter, but he isn't a young Antonio Barrera or Morrales, or even JLC. Castillo got stopped when he was a teenager by cuts, he was fought everyone, his chin was amazing, but he had skill. THats all I am looking for if Margarito had good technique I wouldn't care if he was as slow as a sloth or got hit a lot, Pavlik is an example of aguy who is slow, but he has mastered the technique, and now I like him. But Margarito is exactly what I hate about boxing, a guy who takes shots willingly in the head, and uses mundane pugilism to win fights.

Antonio Margarito had a severe sprained ankle and a shoulder injury shortly before the Joshua Clottey fight he wasn't at his best........

And if you actually read up on Joshua Clottey he later admitted he didn't break his hand.

Margarito didn't have a severe sprained ankle... give me a break. You can't move like a boxer does on that. That's as much BS as I've ever heard. Regardless I give Margarito credit for beating Cintron and Cotto, but he isn't a mexican great. He puts shame IMO to the names of Barrera, JMM, JCC, Morrales, etc. Who have great heart, chins, and skill because he lacks so much that they had.

[eagle]

There are also ppl on here who give him more dues than he deserves. Some ppl seem to think that cos he beat Cotto that he is some kind of machine that cannot be beaten, when Paul Williams proved no that long ago that it can be done. I think he is the number one welter at the moment, what more dues does he deserve?

[ssss]

You aren't giving Williams credit, he was the reason Margarito wasn't able to get off the to a quick start, and he, Paul, was boxing circles around Tony. He also survived the last few rounds to win the fight by a solid lead. I don't see how people had that as a close fight.

Also Clottey broke his hands in that fight. Would he have won if they hadn't been broken? I don't know, but he was certainly controlling the early rounds, and not in the same way as Cotto, he was taken Margarito's punches, and dishing out better ones himself, until he hurt his hands.

Margarito is a good, tough fighter, but he isn't a young Antonio Barrera or Morrales, or even JLC. Castillo got stopped when he was a teenager by cuts, he was fought everyone, his chin was amazing, but he had skill. THats all I am looking for if Margarito had good technique I wouldn't care if he was as slow as a sloth or got hit a lot, Pavlik is an example of aguy who is slow, but he has mastered the technique, and now I like him. But Margarito is exactly what I hate about boxing, a guy who takes shots willingly in the head, and uses mundane pugilism to win fights.

Antonio Margarito had a severe sprained ankle and a shoulder injury shortly before the Joshua Clottey fight he wasn't at his best........

And if you actually read up on Joshua Clottey he later admitted he didn't break his hand.

Margarito didn't have a severe sprained ankle... give me a break. You can't move like a boxer does on that. That's as much BS as I've ever heard. Regardless I give Margarito credit for beating Cintron and Cotto, but he isn't a mexican great. He puts shame IMO to the names of Barrera, JMM, JCC, Morrales, etc. Who have great heart, chins, and skill because he lacks so much that they had.

I know boxrec isn't best source but there normally spot on for past fights take a look.

• Margarito suffered from a severe sprained ankle only a week before the bout, and also had problems with his left shoulder as reported days before the fight.
• Clottey suffered an injured left hand in round four, probably while landing a left uppercut. He immediately went into retreat and told his corner at the break.
• Showtime reported this live, explaining why Clottey proceded to lose rounds five through eleven on all three official scorecards.
• Clottey later admitted his hand was not broken as initially reported.
• Margarito threw 1675 punches

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