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    Default Re: Who will win, Obama or McCain?

    Not that I care but I think Obama

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    I'm voting for McCain, he's right on the war, he's right on drilling, he's right on taxes, and he has experience to back it up AND if the American people truly want someone who can work with either party they want McCain as he's not afraid to work with the Democrats on something if it makes sense.

    I believe that America will be suckered into voting for Obama who is not even a one term senator. Barack hasn't had much experience, what the hell is a "Community Organizer" and how the hell is that going to help us?


    Right now with what we're dealing with McCain is the obvious choice

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    Default Re: Who will win, Obama or McCain?

    There both decent candidates. McCain is one of the few career politicians at a national level with a true independent streak. He is also a moderate and sort of deserves to be president because of his service to the county.

    Obama on the other hand has that intangible Kennedy-esk quality that you dont see very often. Also, unlike McCain he did not vote to start the "preemptive" war with Iraq.(and I am aware he wasn't in the senate then).

    That being said, Iraq is getting better and I think despite what they say to pollsters, when they get into the voting booth, many American will have a problem electing an African American. I think McCain will squeak this one out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    I'm voting for McCain, he's right on the war, he's right on drilling, he's right on taxes, and he has experience to back it up AND if the American people truly want someone who can work with either party they want McCain as he's not afraid to work with the Democrats on something if it makes sense.

    I believe that America will be suckered into voting for Obama who is not even a one term senator. Barack hasn't had much experience, what the hell is a "Community Organizer" and how the hell is that going to help us?


    Right now with what we're dealing with McCain is the obvious choice
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    I'm voting for Peter Griffin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    I'm voting for McCain, he's right on the war, he's right on drilling, he's right on taxes, and he has experience to back it up
    Facts and evidence just don't matter to you, do they?

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    I know i'll probabably get blasted for this, but voting is silly, it's all a big game letting people think they have a voice in the process, so we can't bitch about it down the road. Our votes aren't even counted they are just used to supposidly influence the elec college who is up for grabs not for the people but whoever has the most cash. For example what good does it do at all to be in california and support McCain when this state will never go republican. Look how much of a say we have in their salries, which continue to skyrocket while teachers here in cali are getting laid off due to lack of funds, now here in cali they want to cut pay for state workers to 6.55 an hour less than fast food joints pay like the state employess had anything to do with the budget. People are loosing jobs while politicians are on vacation not loosing a thing. But pay any money you owe them late and go on vacation and see what happens when you get back. Don't hate me just my opinion. Voting is a huge waste of time. It's become a circus, wrestlers, actors and various others in office that have no experience but win elections based on thier name and hype instead of qualifications, you tube debates with people dressed in costumes, paris hilton spifs, tire gauges etc, it's just too much it's a wonder that there are people out there that can look at the whole thing with seriousness at heart, i see no difference between politics and the wwe or f or whatever it's called these days.
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    Vote for Paris Hilton, she cannot do any worse than any of the other politicians which are all part of the establishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mar View Post
    I know i'll probabably get blasted for this, but voting is silly, it's all a big game letting people think they have a voice in the process, so we can't bitch about it down the road. Our votes aren't even counted they are just used to supposidly influence the elec college who is up for grabs not for the people but whoever has the most cash. For example what good does it do at all to be in california and support McCain when this state will never go republican. Look how much of a say we have in their salries, which continue to skyrocket while teachers here in cali are getting laid off due to lack of funds, now here in cali they want to cut pay for state workers to 6.55 an hour less than fast food joints pay like the state employess had anything to do with the budget. People are loosing jobs while politicians are on vacation not loosing a thing. But pay any money you owe them late and go on vacation and see what happens when you get back. Don't hate me just my opinion. Voting is a huge waste of time. It's become a circus, wrestlers, actors and various others in office that have no experience but win elections based on thier name and hype instead of qualifications, you tube debates with people dressed in costumes, paris hilton spifs, tire gauges etc, it's just too much it's a wonder that there are people out there that can look at the whole thing with seriousness at heart, i see no difference between politics and the wwe or f or whatever it's called these days.
    I agree to an extent. Politics today is so far removed from any ideals. China has the Olympics. Its a single party communist state for christs sakes. But then of course Western politics is single party too. Labour or Tory there really is little to distinguish the middle ground they are scrabbling for. Nothing really makes any difference. Only an optimist would think otherwise and they are most likely deluded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mar View Post
    I know i'll probabably get blasted for this, but voting is silly, it's all a big game letting people think they have a voice in the process, so we can't bitch about it down the road. Our votes aren't even counted they are just used to supposidly influence the elec college who is up for grabs not for the people but whoever has the most cash. For example what good does it do at all to be in california and support McCain when this state will never go republican. Look how much of a say we have in their salries, which continue to skyrocket while teachers here in cali are getting laid off due to lack of funds, now here in cali they want to cut pay for state workers to 6.55 an hour less than fast food joints pay like the state employess had anything to do with the budget. People are loosing jobs while politicians are on vacation not loosing a thing. But pay any money you owe them late and go on vacation and see what happens when you get back. Don't hate me just my opinion. Voting is a huge waste of time. It's become a circus, wrestlers, actors and various others in office that have no experience but win elections based on thier name and hype instead of qualifications, you tube debates with people dressed in costumes, paris hilton spifs, tire gauges etc, it's just too much it's a wonder that there are people out there that can look at the whole thing with seriousness at heart, i see no difference between politics and the wwe or f or whatever it's called these days.
    As with all elections there's an element of "it doesn't matter who you vote for the government always gets in" and it's certainly no different in America. There'll be very little difference no matter who wins except the Democrats don't have insane economic policies.

    It would be great if the campaign coverage featured the actual policies of the two sides but since one side doesn't have anything to offer but negative adverts and the media is too cowed to call them on it that's what we're stuck with.

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    Economic Update:

    I said a couple of weeks ago that it looks like the economy is now on a tipping point stage - it will either go worse or it will start to plod real slowly into recovery, and it seems like it's tipping towards a slow recovery, though still little early to say for sure. We'll have to see next month's housing sales data to know where the market is heading towards, at least in the short run.

    It looks like the oil market bubble is collapsing a bit, succumbing to it's own bitter medicine - increase the price and you bring down the demand, and the price collapses. The funds that fed the oil market bubble, as well as that of the commodity market, seem to be moving towards the currency market and the stock market, as the dollar is starting to gain after a long decline, and the stock market also is on the rise again. Now, the regulators' job is the try to bring the interest rate down to bring back the confidence into the housing market because the rising interest was the direct cause of the subprime mortgage crisis. With the decline of oil and commodity prices, there should be more leeway for lowering the interest rate; but of course, inflationary pressure is what finally rules the interest rate. Given the slack in economy, I think if the oil and commodity prices continue to decline, the inflation rate should go down. If the feds can bring the interest rate substantially down, I think the housing market will start to stabilize, and with it, the economy as well. We shall see...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pacfan View Post
    Economic Update:

    I said a couple of weeks ago that it looks like the economy is now on a tipping point stage - it will either go worse or it will start to plod real slowly into recovery, and it seems like it's tipping towards a slow recovery, though still little early to say for sure. We'll have to see next month's housing sales data to know where the market is heading towards, at least in the short run.

    It looks like the oil market bubble is collapsing a bit, succumbing to it's own bitter medicine - increase the price and you bring down the demand, and the price collapses. The funds that fed the oil market bubble, as well as that of the commodity market, seem to be moving towards the currency market and the stock market, as the dollar is starting to gain after a long decline, and the stock market also is on the rise again. Now, the regulators' job is the try to bring the interest rate down to bring back the confidence into the housing market because the rising interest was the direct cause of the subprime mortgage crisis. With the decline of oil and commodity prices, there should be more leeway for lowering the interest rate; but of course, inflationary pressure is what finally rules the interest rate. Given the slack in economy, I think if the oil and commodity prices continue to decline, the inflation rate should go down. If the feds can bring the interest rate substantially down, I think the housing market will start to stabilize, and with it, the economy as well. We shall see...
    I'll bet you a dollar house prices continue to fall for at least another year. It'll probably be closer to two.

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