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Kobe is an extremely selfish player on the court and a prima donna off the court, all of which leads to his team mates not respecting him and being unwilling to give it the extra 10% when necessary (not that he passes to them much anyway--you're
Funny, every other teammate says the opposite, particularly Lamar Odom and Smush Parker who say that Kobe is all about getting people involved and has since only going to go on those scoring routes when he absolutely has to.
Hmm. That's funny, because I could swear that the most talented teammate he ever had, as well as his former and now once-again coach said that he was a selfish, "uncoachable" asshole. As did every all-star veteran who joined the Lakers for Shaq's last year there (repeatedly stating that they came to play with Shaq, not with Kobe).

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in the playoffs; in a lot of those games, it was the same old ball hog kobe).
He wasn't even the leading scorer in the games they won and he averaged 8 or 9 assists in those playoffs, and he was 4th on the scorers on his team during that playoffs and in Game 4 the layup that tied it was his own shot of the 4th quarter.

Yea he was sure a ballhog in the playoffs
You are only proving my point. When Kobe plays like a team player (rarely), the Lakers can win. He's a selfish prick though, and can't help himself. The Lakers were up 3-1, and Kobe had only been the Lakers' leading scorer in one of those victories (as well as in the loss). Kobe was the Lakers' leading scorer for the remainder of the series, and THEY LOST EVERY SINGLE REMAINING GAME (including the game where kobe went for 50). Just to make this clear: in ALL FOUR of the lakers losses, kobe was the lakers' leading scorer. Bottom line: Kobe is an incorrigible ball hog and it hurts his team. You'd think he would have learned by now.

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and odom is better than anyone lebron's got, so don't even go there.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!?!?!?!?! Lamar is more inconsistant then George Bush on terrorists
and better than anyone lebron's got. and if you want to throw up larry hughes, please remember that lebron's led the cavs over THE BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE without hughes for three games straight.

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jordan won 6 with pippen and a bunch of schwag, so if kobe's so great he ought to be able to at least get into round 2 of the playoffs with odom on his team.
Odom isn't comparable ti Pippen since Pippen was more consistant. But Jordan never won a championship without Pipper and Pippen never won a championship without Jordan.

Now lets look at the lineup of some of those Bulls teams hmm..

Steve Kerr NATURAL STARTER



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Ron Harper NATURAL STARTER


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Scottie Pippen NATURAL STARTER
yep, that's one

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Paxon STARTER


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Dennis Rodman NATURAL STARTER and leader in the NBA in rebounds when he was in Detroit.
How old was Dennis when he got to Chicago--like 40? Throw in the rockstar lifestyle at that point, and don't get me wrong--he wasn't bad, but don't go throwing up Detroit stats like it's the same player we're talking about. He also obviously wasn't on the team for the first three titles.


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Now you look at some of the lineup on Kobe's team for the last few

Smush Parker their starting point

NBDL player who was last off the bench for every NBA Team he started

Kwame Brown

First round washout who's confidence was shattered BY Jordan at Washington just starting to come into his own and not a natural starter, just as a laker when Mihm was injured

Chris Mihm

Off the bench center but starts for the lakers, but NOT a Natural starter throughoug his career, only as a Laker.

Kobe Bryant NATURAL STARTER

Lamar Odom NATURAL STARTER

Luke Walton.....

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Aaron Mckie Off the bench point guard for Philly

Sasha their second PG I think it played overseas in the italian league.

brian cook, not a natural starter, just started to come to his own this year

deavon george, not a natural starter and inconsistant

I don't see 5 Natural starters on any of the Laker's squad(for the last year) when compared with the Bulls that was so dominant, so to say Jordan only had Pippen on his team is in Mike Tyson's words ludacris!!!
You're just as bad with the basketball anaylsis as you are with the boxing, huh? You're totally missing the point. A player like Jordan has the leadership and intangibles to make schmucks like Ron Harper look like a "natural starter" to you. He'd make Smush Parker and Luke Walton look just as good if he were in Kobe's place.

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lebron was runner up in MVP voting this year at age 21. kobe has NEVER been ranked so highly by GMs and others who study the game for a living.
it's called hype and politics

And how many times has LeBron made both the NBA All first team and the NBA all first team in defense
It'll happen soon enough. He's got the first part of it done already (with more votes than anyone else in the NBA this year)--something Kobe never did at his age. But I thought that was all "hype and politics" anyway, Starr?