Kobe or Lebron?

[El Gamo]

OH COME ON NOW!!!! Don't start that they couldn;t make the shots because he doesn't inspire confidence that's BULLSHIT!

They punked up! Kwame punked up, Lamae punked up, Smush punked up, everybody punked up!!!! He'd been getting them involved and after gave 4 he kept trying to keep them involved and all of a sudden Kwame can't catch a pass and Lamar can't make a lay up. They punked up. And thats not a fault of Kobe.

And who did Jordan ever make a better individual player Kerr and Harper, and Rodman and Pippen were already good.

Name someone Jordan made better that weren't good already and a natural starter

Jordan already had the talent on his team and with his skill found ways to use it for the entire teams advantage

but who did he make better

Starr are you serious? Please, oh my God. Scottie Pippen was a SOLID player, NO DOUBT. But do you think...by any conceivable stretch of the imagination that there would be any way he would be one of the NBA's top 50 All Time players without Jordan? NO. That's the answer and it speaks volumes that you are even talking like this. Tony Kukoc, hell I can't even spell his name but under Jordan he was a premeir NBA player. I don't beleive you just said that. I hate to say it but you're credibility on this issue is going down like crazy. That's unbeleivable. Seriously there are no words for saying Jordan didn't make any of his teammates better. To say I expected better would be an understatement of epic proportions. Wow.

hahaha,I have never seen a reaction like that before! Classic! Was that how ridiculous Starr's statement was? I don't know as much about basketball as you guys but I do know MJ made nearly anyone he played with look good,better than they were. I was a fan of Orlando Magic at the time Jordan was ripping it up.

And who did Jordan ever make a better individual player Kerr and Harper, and Rodman and Pippen were already good.

Name someone Jordan made better that weren't good already and a natural starter

but who did he make better

I can let you take that back now if you want. Cuz out of all the wrong things you've said, that's easily the wrongest, both in the abstract and in the particulars.

Jordan made every single player on those Bulls teams better than they ever were before (except Rodman) or would ever be again, or would have been without him--and that definitely includes Pippen. Your categorization of Ron Harper and Steve Kerr as "natural starters" is no less ridiculous now that the last time you said it. How about clumsy old Bill Cartwright--was he a "natural starter" as well? Did Jordan not make him better than he would have been. BJ Armstrong--natural starter? This is a fucking joke.

Jordan already had the talent on his team and with his skill found ways to use it for the entire teams advantage

Yes, that's what we're talking about. That's really just another way of describing the same thing. Jordan, with his skill found ways to advantageously use his teammates limited skills, while suppressing their shortcomings as much as possible, for the entire team's advantage. These schmucks didn't do it themselves. And neither can Kobe's "supporting cast"--the difference is that Kobe, unlike Jordan, can't do it for them.

Bro,your analysis is awesome and it's just based around logic and a cohesive argument! Like I said,I don't know much about basketball but I can understand your arguments! CC.