Now Who is the most overrated heavyweight

[No Contest]

Ali?? You must not have seen many of his fights......I mean really.....

[The Fightfan]

Ok here goes time too defend myself. Yes I have seen many of his fight's and also have many of his fight's and rare one's at that.but so many of his fight's that come too mind I've seen him lose in my eye's. Frazier II. I mean how does a man win that widespread by touching and running anmd sitting on the ropes holing behind the neck.Frazier was the stalker constantly pressuring Ali and if it wasn't for Frazier coming forward there would be no fight. Earnie Shaver's the man knocked Ali down and to me clearly won the desicion. I have it on film.The ref rules no knockdown,Doug Jones again I thought Jones outpointed Ali. Ken Norton in one of the biggest robberies in boxing at Yankee Stadium to end their trilogy. To me the referee's were starstruck if Ali were too fight nowadays I believe he would be disqualified at least five times.The constant pulling on the back of the neck Frazier,Bonavena,Foreman,Norton,Lyle,the list goes one also the way he used to stick his glove out an open glove at that to those same people.

Another reason was the involvement with what happenend outside the ring. Honestly do you think that many Muslims or hippie's would be attracted to a black catholic boxer.Hell no. I 've seen so many of this man's fight's and seen him get away with repeated time after time fouls.That in this day and age would be penalized. One more is Ali was in the worst of fight's I had ever seen Buster Mathis Sr. and another I had never seen until recently on the Ali marathon last weekend Alvin Lewis. I looked at that fight and said what the hell the guy got hit with a jab and the stopped it. Lewis was overmatched but still I think I fell asleep in every round of that fight.Rudi Lubbers need I say more.

I am not saying Ali was a horrible fighter in fact when he was known as Cassius Clay I said damn that's the greatest fighter I've ever seen then as I put in more tapes in my trusty VCR I see this man just leaning on the ropes taking stupid punishment and everyone saying this guy is The Greatest fighter ever? Not in my eyes When I can count another five losses that should have been wins for his oppenent's.

Oh well that's the best I can come up with

[TitoFan]

Ok here goes time too defend myself. Yes I have seen many of his fight's and also have many of his fight's and rare one's at that.but so many of his fight's that come too mind I've seen him lose in my eye's. Frazier II. I mean how does a man win that widespread by touching and running anmd sitting on the ropes holing behind the neck.Frazier was the stalker constantly pressuring Ali and if it wasn't for Frazier coming forward there would be no fight. Earnie Shaver's the man knocked Ali down and to me clearly won the desicion. I have it on film.The ref rules no knockdown,Doug Jones again I thought Jones outpointed Ali. Ken Norton in one of the biggest robberies in boxing at Yankee Stadium to end their trilogy. To me the referee's were starstruck if Ali were too fight nowadays I believe he would be disqualified at least five times.The constant pulling on the back of the neck Frazier,Bonavena,Foreman,Norton,Lyle,the list goes one also the way he used to stick his glove out an open glove at that to those same people.

Another reason was the involvement with what happenend outside the ring. Honestly do you think that many Muslims or hippie's would be attracted to a black catholic boxer.Hell no. I 've seen so many of this man's fight's and seen him get away with repeated time after time fouls.That in this day and age would be penalized. One more is Ali was in the worst of fight's I had ever seen Buster Mathis Sr. and another I had never seen until recently on the Ali marathon last weekend Alvin Lewis. I looked at that fight and said what the hell the guy got hit with a jab and the stopped it. Lewis was overmatched but still I think I fell asleep in every round of that fight.Rudi Lubbers need I say more.

I am not saying Ali was a horrible fighter in fact when he was known as Cassius Clay I said damn that's the greatest fighter I've ever seen then as I put in more tapes in my trusty VCR I see this man just leaning on the ropes taking stupid punishment and everyone saying this guy is The Greatest fighter ever? Not in my eyes When I can count another five losses that should have been wins for his oppenent's.

Oh well that's the best I can come up with

I was distracted by the picture in your avatar.... but about Ali, well I ......er... I'm sorry... what was I saying?

Just kidding man. You have a right to consider Ali overrated, just as all of us fight fans have different opinions on everything. Personally, I thought Ali-Frazier III was one of the greatest fights I've ever seen. Were refs "starstruck" as you say in some of Ali's fights? Yeah... I agree with that. But he did accomplish some remarkable feats inside the ring. Somehow, he found a way to not only beat, but to KO the "Monster" George Foreman who, not only annihilated most boxers he faced, but also scared them into soiling their pants before they ever got into the ring. So you gotta give some credit to the man. And as for those multi-colored socks..... er..... I'm sorry bro.... I'm drifting again.

[No Contest]

Ok here goes time too defend myself. Yes I have seen many of his fight's and also have many of his fight's and rare one's at that.but so many of his fight's that come too mind I've seen him lose in my eye's. Frazier II. I mean how does a man win that widespread by touching and running anmd sitting on the ropes holing behind the neck.Frazier was the stalker constantly pressuring Ali and if it wasn't for Frazier coming forward there would be no fight. Earnie Shaver's the man knocked Ali down and to me clearly won the desicion. I have it on film.The ref rules no knockdown,Doug Jones again I thought Jones outpointed Ali. Ken Norton in one of the biggest robberies in boxing at Yankee Stadium to end their trilogy. To me the referee's were starstruck if Ali were too fight nowadays I believe he would be disqualified at least five times.The constant pulling on the back of the neck Frazier,Bonavena,Foreman,Norton,Lyle,the list goes one also the way he used to stick his glove out an open glove at that to those same people.

Another reason was the involvement with what happenend outside the ring. Honestly do you think that many Muslims or hippie's would be attracted to a black catholic boxer.Hell no. I 've seen so many of this man's fight's and seen him get away with repeated time after time fouls.That in this day and age would be penalized. One more is Ali was in the worst of fight's I had ever seen Buster Mathis Sr. and another I had never seen until recently on the Ali marathon last weekend Alvin Lewis. I looked at that fight and said what the hell the guy got hit with a jab and the stopped it. Lewis was overmatched but still I think I fell asleep in every round of that fight.Rudi Lubbers need I say more.

I am not saying Ali was a horrible fighter in fact when he was known as Cassius Clay I said damn that's the greatest fighter I've ever seen then as I put in more tapes in my trusty VCR I see this man just leaning on the ropes taking stupid punishment and everyone saying this guy is The Greatest fighter ever? Not in my eyes When I can count another five losses that should have been wins for his oppenent's.

Oh well that's the best I can come up with

Its cool man I'm a Frazier fan too, he's one of the most "underrated" fighters in history. I agree, I thought Frazier won that too, but I can admit I was biased.

[njackets]

I'd say Ali and Tyson also,there proberbly the 2 biggest names in Boxing history,and 4 this reason casual/non Boxing fans seem 2 think they were unbeaten/P4P best ever etc.Iv'e argued plenty of times with non Boxing fans over calling Tyson 'unbeatable' and as 1 bloke called him on this Sports forum I go on the 'P4P best Boxer of all time'. The media are the worst 4 overating Ali,there are plenty of smaller Boxers who deserve just as much attention Ali gets.The 2 of them in the prime were 2 of the best,but as pointed out earlier,prime Tysons HW div was weak,Ali who is rated by many as P4P GOAT is overating the pair of them.

[El Kabong]

Of all time ALI.....he is HANDS DOWN the most overrated FIGHTER ever in the history of the sport. He was great but he wasn't without his shortcomings.



Right now DAVID HAYE....calling out THE man before ever fighting a fight vs a top level heavyweight

[El Kabong]

And Haye's fans are fucking mental!