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    Quote Originally Posted by pacfan View Post
    ...But then, I have no intention of trying to change the minds of westerners' because I know I can't, just as I can never convince the Americans that there is nothing sacred or inalienable about their right to keep and bear arms...
    Uh huh, it's best not to start that debate

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    You are a fucking moron you have made a case AGAINST yourself...you have no understanding of capitalism AT ALL.....I now wonder if you are infact retarded and I'm leaning towards yes....yes you are a retard and I now emplore you to seek help.
    What part of the post don't you understand? Let me know so that I can explain this to you well enough so that it sinks in and thus at some point in the future you're forced to bow to my Infallibility.
    I ain't no lover of communism, nor am I a lover of capitalism as it stands now. No need to discuss the defects of communism as everyone knows 'em. But what I can say is that the form of capitalism practiced then up to now isn't working in third world country like ours, where people in the neighborhood are dying of Tuberculosis everyday not because the country doesn't have enough money but because the traditional elite businessmen, who has controlled the government ever since, have divided the nations spoils among themselves while leaving the poor perpetually impoverished. And the type of democracy that the westerners planted on us has become an effective tool to keep them in power, because it's a democracy dictated by money which only the elite has, thereby becoming a self-perpetuating tool for them. This is probably the same reason that guys like Chavez has started to become appealing to many Latin-American people. These are the things that many westerners simply don't understand. Most people in the third world are no worse off than those in Cuba. Believe me, I have seen it first hand and am still seeing it, shaking my head in dismay throughout...

    ...But then, I have no intention of trying to change the minds of westerners' because I know I can't, just as I can never convince the Americans that there is nothing sacred or inalienable about their right to keep and bear arms...
    Hugo was great at first but he's going a bit nuts now. What he's done with Venezuelan oil policy is good though. I like Evo Morales too. You've got to admire anybody who shows up at campaign rallies wearing an outfit consisting mainly of root vegetables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    You may very well be infallible.....but it ain't on this planet brother
    Explain where I'm wrong, using facts and evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pacfan View Post
    ...But then, I have no intention of trying to change the minds of westerners' because I know I can't, just as

    I can never convince the Americans that there is nothing sacred or inalienable about their right to keep and bear arms...
    Uh huh, it's best not to start that debate
    Fixed!

    You're damn right, buddy.

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    What part of the post don't you understand? Let me know so that I can explain this to you well enough so that it sinks in and thus at some point in the future you're forced to bow to my Infallibility.
    I ain't no lover of communism, nor am I a lover of capitalism as it stands now. No need to discuss the defects of communism as everyone knows 'em. But what I can say is that the form of capitalism practiced then up to now isn't working in third world country like ours, where people in the neighborhood are dying of Tuberculosis everyday not because the country doesn't have enough money but because the traditional elite businessmen, who has controlled the government ever since, have divided the nations spoils among themselves while leaving the poor perpetually impoverished. And the type of democracy that the westerners planted on us has become an effective tool to keep them in power, because it's a democracy dictated by money which only the elite has, thereby becoming a self-perpetuating tool for them. This is probably the same reason that guys like Chavez has started to become appealing to many Latin-American people. These are the things that many westerners simply don't understand. Most people in the third world are no worse off than those in Cuba. Believe me, I have seen it first hand and am still seeing it, shaking my head in dismay throughout...

    ...But then, I have no intention of trying to change the minds of westerners' because I know I can't, just as I can never convince the Americans that there is nothing sacred or inalienable about their right to keep and bear arms...
    Hugo was great at first but he's going a bit nuts now. What he's done with Venezuelan oil policy is good though. I like Evo Morales too. You've got to admire anybody who shows up at campaign rallies wearing an outfit consisting mainly of root vegetables.
    I prefer Hugo, I love his oil better. Watch out, Hugo, they're gonna come and get you...


    ...Sorry folks, I got carried away a bit... ...Where were we?..
    ...ok, back to US politics and election...
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    Go Obama!

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    Can someone explain to me how Obama is qualified to run the government?

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    Can someone explain to me how Obama is qualified to run the government?
    Of course he's qualified... He's a one term senator
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    How were Bush and Reagan fit to run the USA?
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    How were Bush and Reagan fit to run the USA?

    Well that's an easy answer.... Ronnies nickname was Ray gun and Bush Jr smoked alot of pot, silly
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    Lyle how can you saying renewable energy doesn't work? Wind power doesn't work? That would certainly lighten the load on oil if it's true that we can get wind to power 25% of our stuff. Besides there are plenty of examples of other countries who are operating on things other then oil and doing fine. It's not as if ethanol is the end all as far as alternative fuels and renewable energy goes. It's pretty sad that developing countries like India are way ahead of us on the curve on this as well as practically every other country simply because we've fallen in love with oil.

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    Lyle how can you saying renewable energy doesn't work? Wind power doesn't work? That would certainly lighten the load on oil if it's true that we can get wind to power 25% of our stuff. Besides there are plenty of examples of other countries who are operating on things other then oil and doing fine. It's not as if ethanol is the end all as far as alternative fuels and renewable energy goes. It's pretty sad that developing countries like India are way ahead of us on the curve on this as well as practically every other country simply because we've fallen in love with oil.
    Of course it does. It's just a matter of viability, I guess. I heard many renewable types of energy are not efficient enough to compete with cheaper oil. But some day it will, definitely.
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    ...one of the problems I think Obama would be facing is the Hillary fans. With a long and bitter fight they went through, with all the nasty accusations and counter-accusations, I think there are enough die-hard Hillary fans who still feel resentful to their idol's bitter rival. Would Obama be able to overcome that? as they say, 'house divided can't stand.' With the survey showing Obama and McCain statistically even, that problem could cause just enough problem for Obama to adversely affect his quest of the office. So I think he should at least invite Hillary publicly to be his VP. Hillary will probably not accept it but at least Obama can get some steam out from her loyal fans. But what if she accepts it? Now that's another problem. Hmmm, a minority vote plus a women vote, how will that fare?..

    ... on the economic front, there is some signs of stability setting in with oil price starting to go down again thereby easing somewhat the inflationary pressure. But don't start partying yet. For now, it just means that the vulture called speculators have turned their attention on dollar away from oil and the commodities markets. Just don't forget that these vultures will exploit any sign of weakness and once they smell 'em they pounce on them and strip them of all their flesh until there are only bones left (but the economic species sometimes even eat the bones). If we're lucky, their adventure at the oil market could have ended, but don't be sure yet 'cause winter is coming and the oil market might look juicy to them again. If that happens, it'll be another round of high oil price and inflation cycle. Keep your fingers crossed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    How were Bush and Reagan fit to run the USA?
    Well Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush were Governors of very large states, which at least gave them some experience in Executive office. Reagan was successful in the private sector without riding on Daddy's coat tails.

    Obama is a one term senator AND a community organizer.....wow what a resume....ironically the people who bash W for being unqualified are the same people BLINDLY following Obama for no rhyme or reason other than they hate Bush. And that fucking bastard had the nerve to diss Clarence Thomas!



    As for renewable energy, it doesn't produce the way people need it to if it did governments wouldn't have to subsidize it.
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