Only 1 medal for the US

[amat]

The Peterson's had little amateur experience They both were top ranked amateurs and both favored to make the Olympic Squad but both lost in the box offs. Dawson too has a national title and had a good record but turned pro very young. I don't know the full extent of it but Pavlik wasn't a bad amateur either I know he went to the US championships which I believe is where Jermain Taylor beat him.

[Beanflicker]

You Americans should count your blessings. Our (canadian) only guy got massacred!

[El Kabong]

The Peterson's had little amateur experience They both were top ranked amateurs and both favored to make the Olympic Squad but both lost in the box offs. Dawson too has a national title and had a good record but turned pro very young. I don't know the full extent of it but Pavlik wasn't a bad amateur either I know he went to the US championships which I believe is where Jermain Taylor beat him.

Pavlik was 89-9 ....not a lot of experience when compared to Guinn's 290-26 or Lacy's 209-12


Lamont and Anthony had bigger amateur records but no Olympics.

Chad Dawson's record was 67-13

So I fail to see where you think you are correct

[match]

Comparing amateur boxing to pro boxing is like comparing Arena football to the NFL. It's almost 2 completely different sports.

[El Kabong]

Comparing amateur boxing to pro boxing is like comparing Arena football to the NFL. It's almost 2 completely different sports.

Kind of but also totally different because being a good amateur boxer is supposed to make you a better pro boxer (as has been proven by history)

[amat]

You said the Petersons had little amateur experience, that's where you were wrong. To say that most of those guys had little amateur experience is being naiive. The Olympics isn't the end all, the Petersons had just as much international competition as anyone on the Olympic team. The other guys had a bunch of competition at the national level too. Maybe not Cloud (I don't know) or Williams but I'm pretty sure all those other guys have plenty of amateur experience unless not going to the Olympics or having 200 fights means you have "little amateur experience."

[amat]

More to the point. The amateur system in the US just needs to be completely overhauled. Boxing isn't a team sport, you don't have to put these guys and make them conform to one coach in order to work together like you would basketball or soccer. Dan Campbell is more drill sargaent then boxing trainer and this has been known for a very long time. There is no reason to bring these guys together under one house and not let them work with their trainers who have been with them all their life. It's just a fundamentally flawed system.

Unfortunately, the only way the team is going to get any money is if that there work can be monitored so they should just let all the individual trainers in house. That's 11 trainers. Also, they need to push back their qualifiers so you don't get any more Gary Russell incidents.

I don't think it has to do with the pitter pat style, I just don't see it. Most of those pitter pat artists have been eliminated now. It's a lot better to watch towards the end and I still don't think that can be blamed for all their failures over the last 12 years. There are plenty of good pros who were great international amateurs, if you are good enough it doesn't matter the style you can win. There is no reason Raushee Warren or Andrade should have lost those bouts, the Olympic style didn't work against them they did. Oh well I was a bit heartbroken at both as I've been following both for quite some time.

As Killer Sheep said, the one guy from this squad people counted out was Wilder and look what he's done. And that's me included, I was never impressed with him and still think he's taking advantage of a weak draw but plenty of guys had weak draws and he's the only one to do something with it.

I really hope De La Hoya can get this turned around. Campbell has got to go and will go, there is just no way he sticks around. I think they just provide conditioning coaches and all the back the team needs and give the option for the trainers to join them in Colorado Springs because they might get away from Campbell but they won't get away from Colorado Springs. If the trainers don't go, they need to sign their fighters to whoever will be training them instead of undermining the other coaches' efforts. Instruct their fighters to listen to the trainers at the grounds, because people blame the fighters for not listening but that's just as much on the trainers back home as it is the fighters.

Bit devastated, I was really looking for these to be a rebound games for America but it's probably better that it's not, it'll get the program rebuilt and hopefully rebuilt correctly.

[TommyGunn_]

Holyfield had some interesting things to say about the squad, i must look out that article.

[Scrap]

I dont know how they work in the States. But somethings happened and not for the better. Years ago there was a conveyor belt, its stopped. Having said that the Amatuer game now is so far removed from the Pros, as someone said its Fencing with Gumshields, no flair is ecouraged. Im finding it hard to watch. Have the numbers doing it dried up in America.

[wesrman]

At least the USA had a team. Unlike us with our one man team.

[Taeth]

People aren't being fair to the american team, way too much emphasis was put on these games, especially since the scoring, refing was horrible, and how the fights were ref'ed took away from the US's physical advantages.

Just look at the worlds if you think they weren't good. Its been how much of a piece of crap the olympic boxing has been, not the quality of american boxing.

[ssss]

I think a few of the US boxers were very unlucky especially Demetrius Andrade who lost highly controversial decision to that Korean boxer if i remember rightly.........

I thought Demetrius Andrade was landing alot of good shots but wern't scored and i thought he clearly won but got robbed and Raushee Warren was also very unlucky........

I don't think the USA boxing team were that poor i just think they were a bit unlucky in some of there fights but thats Amateur boxing for you a majority of the contests are controversial.