Haye 16st 9lbs

[El Kabong]

David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi would have sparked Wladimir Klitschko into next week.

And if your aunt had a dick she'd be your uncle

[rjj tszyu]

David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi would have sparked Wladimir Klitschko into next week.

And if your aunt had a dick she'd be your uncle

I wonder if he knew he would get a reaction from you Lyle lol

[sonny78]

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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi would have sparked Wladimir Klitschko into next week.
And if your aunt had a dick she'd be your uncle

I dont even get this but it still made me laugh

[WelshDevilRob]

David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi would have sparked Wladimir Klitschko into next week.

And if your aunt had a dick she'd be your uncle

Oh get her

[sonny78]

Well #1 Joe Louis was a HELL of a boxer IMO the GREATEST OF ALL-TIME #2 It would be very difficult to throw fighters into a vaccume and decide the outcome of a fight considering neither Louis and Shavers or Lewis and Wlad fought opposition that equal each other.

Better nutrition, training, and healthcare has created bigger and stronger specimens in ALL of sport not just boxing. It doesn't neccesarily mean BETTER specimens just bigger and stronger.


And also Earnie Shavers really wasn't THAT great he was a hell of a puncher but that was it the modern day equivilent is David Tua which really ain't saying much. If David Tua had Audley Harrison's chin or if Hasim Rahman had more pop then they would be the equal of Earnie Shavers. Every decent boxer with a solid punch or a solid chin whipped Shavers' ass: Quarry, Lyle, Cobb, Ali, Holmes, and hell even Bob Stallings at 21-24 beat Shavers by decision.

Wlad would toy with Shavers and vs Lewis Earnie wouldn't stand much of a chance either. Joe Louis might be a different story only because he was a better boxer and IMO a very underrated puncher and he had a hell of a chin only getting KO'd 2 times in his career #1 vs Schmelling in a fight he didn't properly prepare for and he later avenged and #2 vs Rocky Marciano when he was way old and out of shape

I disagree that modern fighters would be stronger while Better nutrition, training, and healthcare can help in theory you only have to look through the heavyweight division at the moment to see they are hardly examples of prime nutrition and conditioning, (Haye and Wlad are probably the best examples) Life was harder 50 years ago this built in toughness and strenth was something you cant train someone who spends all there off time on playstation

Cant imagine Sonny Liston struggling to much in the strength department now can you !

[rjj tszyu]

Well #1 Joe Louis was a HELL of a boxer IMO the GREATEST OF ALL-TIME #2 It would be very difficult to throw fighters into a vaccume and decide the outcome of a fight considering neither Louis and Shavers or Lewis and Wlad fought opposition that equal each other.

Better nutrition, training, and healthcare has created bigger and stronger specimens in ALL of sport not just boxing. It doesn't neccesarily mean BETTER specimens just bigger and stronger.


And also Earnie Shavers really wasn't THAT great he was a hell of a puncher but that was it the modern day equivilent is David Tua which really ain't saying much. If David Tua had Audley Harrison's chin or if Hasim Rahman had more pop then they would be the equal of Earnie Shavers. Every decent boxer with a solid punch or a solid chin whipped Shavers' ass: Quarry, Lyle, Cobb, Ali, Holmes, and hell even Bob Stallings at 21-24 beat Shavers by decision.

Wlad would toy with Shavers and vs Lewis Earnie wouldn't stand much of a chance either. Joe Louis might be a different story only because he was a better boxer and IMO a very underrated puncher and he had a hell of a chin only getting KO'd 2 times in his career #1 vs Schmelling in a fight he didn't properly prepare for and he later avenged and #2 vs Rocky Marciano when he was way old and out of shape

I disagree that modern fighters would be stronger while Better nutrition, training, and healthcare can help in theory you only have to look through the heavyweight division at the moment to see they are hardly examples of prime nutrition and conditioning, (Haye and Wlad are probably the best examples) Life was harder 50 years ago this built in toughness and strenth was something you cant train someone who spends all there off time on playstation

Cant imagine Sonny Liston struggling to much in the strength department now can you !

Very good points. IMO Sonny Liston would be undisputed heavyweight champon of the world now. The Bear was a totally different animal to todays heavys. The only two men who have had the same kind of invincibility since are George Foreman and Mike Tyson. I would love to see these 3 in their primes against each other. I see Tyson coming out with no victories though.

[ross]

You reckon Tyson would come last between the three

Mike succesfully defended his title in the eighties 9 times, Liston only once and Foreman only Twice

Mike wiped a division clean

[El Kabong]

You reckon Tyson would come last between the three

Mike succesfully defended his title in the eighties 9 times, Liston only once and Foreman only Twice

Mike wiped a division clean

And what GREAT fighter did Mike Tyson eventually lose to

I believe my point is made, had Ali not been there then Liston and Foreman would have reigned for several years.



I think NUCLEARBULL is right, he's not THAT much bigger and also kingfrnk speed doesn't mean that Haye will win at heavyweight.

[rjj tszyu]

You reckon Tyson would come last between the three

Mike succesfully defended his title in the eighties 9 times, Liston only once and Foreman only Twice

Mike wiped a division clean

And what GREAT fighter did Mike Tyson eventually lose to

I believe my point is made, had Ali not been there then Liston and Foreman would have reigned for several years.

Great point Lyle! What great fighter did Tyson ever do well with for that matter? Michael Spinks was a blown up LHW and Larry Holmes although still reasonable was nowhere near the man that he was in the early 80s.