Should Michael Nunn be in the Hall?

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I don't see why not considering alot of other lesser fighters have been inducted.......

His impressive KO over the very durable Sumbu Kalambay in only 1 round add that onto solid wins against Frank Tate Donald Curry Iran Barkley Marlon Starling and i think he deserves it.

[LeonardW12Hagler]

Based on who he beat he deserves it , based on some of the people already in it he definately deserves it.His crimes since he retired should surely not come into it when discussing entry so a resounding yes for me.

I dread to think of what he might have done to Nigel Benn (one of my favourite fighters) if they had met around 1989 - 1990

[donnydarkoIRL]

LeonardW12Hagler....
I actually disagree, I think his crimes should be taken into consideration.
As a notable figure in the boxing world Nunn brought the game into disrepute.
He will forever be known as Michael Nunn, former World Boxing Champion and as such his crimes will always have a spin-off effect on boxing.

Names like SRL, Ali and George Foreman reinforced their sure fire HoF passes when they became great ambassadors for the sport.
Nunn dirtied boxings name, although unintentionally.

[LeonardW12Hagler]

LeonardW12Hagler....
I actually disagree, I think his crimes should be taken into consideration.
As a notable figure in the boxing world Nunn brought the game into disrepute.
He will forever be known as Michael Nunn, former World Boxing Champion and as such his crimes will always have a spin-off effect on boxing.

Names like SRL, Ali and George Foreman reinforced their sure fire HoF passes when they became great ambassadors for the sport.
Nunn dirtied boxings name, although unintentionally.

It was more of a question really , do they take that sort of stuff into consideration ? I mean I'm just having a look down the list of inductees and the only one I can find that's not exactly sqeaky clean so far is Sonny Liston.I'm not suggesting that his dodgy links were as bad as being caught with multiple kilos of coke on you so I guess you're right on that basis Nunn fails bigtime

[donnydarkoIRL]

It was more of a question really , do they take that sort of stuff into consideration ? I mean I'm just having a look down the list of inductees and the only one I can find that's not exactly sqeaky clean so far is Sonny Liston.I'm not suggesting that his dodgy links were as bad as being caught with multiple kilos of coke on you so I guess you're right on that basis Nunn fails bigtime

Yeah I believe they do.
Thats why Barry is in there, for what he did with his status.

Sonny was a legbreaker, so thats a bit of a contradiction I guess.

Tyson will surely be in there despite.......everything.

[LeonardW12Hagler]

It was more of a question really , do they take that sort of stuff into consideration ? I mean I'm just having a look down the list of inductees and the only one I can find that's not exactly sqeaky clean so far is Sonny Liston.I'm not suggesting that his dodgy links were as bad as being caught with multiple kilos of coke on you so I guess you're right on that basis Nunn fails bigtime

Yeah I believe they do.
Thats why Barry is in there, for what he did with his status.

Sonny was a legbreaker, so thats a bit of a contradiction I guess.

Tyson will surely be in there despite.......everything.

That's the acid test isn't it ! Maybe if they induct Tyson then they could do a convicts year and let Nunn in also.Just noticed also Pernell Whitaker on the list another coke head (although not a big timer) who possibly brought the sport shame as most people seemed to be aware of his problem late on in his career.

p.s. - I am English and am embarrassed about Barry's prescence !

[donnydarkoIRL]

It was more of a question really , do they take that sort of stuff into consideration ? I mean I'm just having a look down the list of inductees and the only one I can find that's not exactly sqeaky clean so far is Sonny Liston.I'm not suggesting that his dodgy links were as bad as being caught with multiple kilos of coke on you so I guess you're right on that basis Nunn fails bigtime

Yeah I believe they do.
Thats why Barry is in there, for what he did with his status.

Sonny was a legbreaker, so thats a bit of a contradiction I guess.

Tyson will surely be in there despite.......everything.

That's the acid test isn't it ! Maybe if they induct Tyson then they could do a convicts year and let Nunn in also.Just noticed also Pernell Whitaker on the list another coke head (although not a big timer) who possibly brought the sport shame as most people seemed to be aware of his problem late on in his career.

p.s. - I am English and am embarrassed about Barry's prescence !

Pernell was also tremendously abreasive and unpleasent.

Barry's not English mate, you've nothing to worry about

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LeonardW12Hagler....
I actually disagree, I think his crimes should be taken into consideration.
As a notable figure in the boxing world Nunn brought the game into disrepute.
He will forever be known as Michael Nunn, former World Boxing Champion and as such his crimes will always have a spin-off effect on boxing.

Names like SRL, Ali and George Foreman reinforced their sure fire HoF passes when they became great ambassadors for the sport.
Nunn dirtied boxings name, although unintentionally.

Sugar Ray Leonard a great ambassador for the sport ? didn't he have cocaine addiction ? and i didn't think Muhammad Ali was a great ambassador for the sport either with his racism and disrespectful attitude to his opponents.

[LeonardW12Hagler]

LeonardW12Hagler....
I actually disagree, I think his crimes should be taken into consideration.
As a notable figure in the boxing world Nunn brought the game into disrepute.
He will forever be known as Michael Nunn, former World Boxing Champion and as such his crimes will always have a spin-off effect on boxing.

Names like SRL, Ali and George Foreman reinforced their sure fire HoF passes when they became great ambassadors for the sport.
Nunn dirtied boxings name, although unintentionally.

Sugar Ray Leonard a great ambassador for the sport ? didn't he have cocaine addiction ? and i didn't think Muhammad Ali was a great ambassador for the sport either with his racism and disrespectful attitude to his opponents.

Really I wasn't aware of Ray Leonard ever being accused of that WOW

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LeonardW12Hagler....
I actually disagree, I think his crimes should be taken into consideration.
As a notable figure in the boxing world Nunn brought the game into disrepute.
He will forever be known as Michael Nunn, former World Boxing Champion and as such his crimes will always have a spin-off effect on boxing.

Names like SRL, Ali and George Foreman reinforced their sure fire HoF passes when they became great ambassadors for the sport.
Nunn dirtied boxings name, although unintentionally.

Sugar Ray Leonard a great ambassador for the sport ? didn't he have cocaine addiction ? and i didn't think Muhammad Ali was a great ambassador for the sport either with his racism and disrespectful attitude to his opponents.

Really I wasn't aware of Ray Leonard ever being accused of that WOW

Look it up fella its pretty well known i believe it was round about the time he retired after the Kevin Howard fight in 1984 im not sure of the exact time though but he is a great fighter but i think its unfair to label Michael Nunn bad for the sport than put Sugar Ray Leonard as a great ambassador but thats just my opinion.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Yes that's true I can always claim the "well he's Irish anyway" line , I also noticed Ken Buchannan is in there and rightly so he was quality was around much longer and achieved much more.

Man I'm glad to hear that!

Buchanan was a fiery little competitor and had good skills.
Put on a good show with Duran, many would've crumbled.

Yep he would've got through that fight if it wasn't for you know what ! I think Duran would have still won on points but shows you what a ruthless , nasty bastard he was back then

Thats dead true man.
Buchanan may have been too tired to mount a victorious last few rounds, but he would have finished on his feet.

LeonardW12Hagler....
I actually disagree, I think his crimes should be taken into consideration.
As a notable figure in the boxing world Nunn brought the game into disrepute.
He will forever be known as Michael Nunn, former World Boxing Champion and as such his crimes will always have a spin-off effect on boxing.

Names like SRL, Ali and George Foreman reinforced their sure fire HoF passes when they became great ambassadors for the sport.
Nunn dirtied boxings name, although unintentionally.

Sugar Ray Leonard a great ambassador for the sport ? didn't he have cocaine addiction ? and i didn't think Muhammad Ali was a great ambassador for the sport either with his racism and disrespectful attitude to his opponents.

I believe I've had this debate with another poster in the past

The difference is that Sugar Ray has remained in the sport, redeeming himself as a positive infleunce through his promotion of amateur boxing, his contributions to charitable organisations and even by participating in the Contencder series, putting a positive shin eon the sport.
BIG difference.

As for Ali, all of his opponents liked him after their fights, even himself and Frazier made amens. He always spoke with a wink and a smile.

As for racism that fairly unfair of you. Ali grew up in another time and in the past 20 years I defy you to show me where Ali differentiated between balck and white.
Racism was very prevalent in Ali's prime and he struck back at legitimate haters. He is not a racist.

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Michael Nunn, in terms of achievements, is borderline IMO. Canastota doesn't have the highest standards anyway.

I think Nunn being an underachiever might play a role in the voting process. People like overachievers more.

[rjj tszyu]

when I think of Nunn I think of the man who was the "next sugar ray" but got caught by Toney and never really lived upto his early potential.

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LeonardW12Hagler....
I actually disagree, I think his crimes should be taken into consideration.
As a notable figure in the boxing world Nunn brought the game into disrepute.
He will forever be known as Michael Nunn, former World Boxing Champion and as such his crimes will always have a spin-off effect on boxing.

Names like SRL, Ali and George Foreman reinforced their sure fire HoF passes when they became great ambassadors for the sport.
Nunn dirtied boxings name, although unintentionally.

Sugar Ray Leonard a great ambassador for the sport ? didn't he have cocaine addiction ? and i didn't think Muhammad Ali was a great ambassador for the sport either with his racism and disrespectful attitude to his opponents.

Really I wasn't aware of Ray Leonard ever being accused of that WOW

Leonard later admitted to having abused alcohol, cocaine, and his wife Juanita.

I don't really think anything boxers having problems outside the ring in terms of their HOF status.

Lots of great boxers were scumbags outside the ring. Some of the stuff that guys like Ray Robinson, Jake LaMotta, Carlos Monzon, for instance, did, were just disgusting.

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Sugar Ray Leonard a great ambassador for the sport ? didn't he have cocaine addiction ? and i didn't think Muhammad Ali was a great ambassador for the sport either with his racism and disrespectful attitude to his opponents.

Really I wasn't aware of Ray Leonard ever being accused of that WOW

Leonard later admitted to having abused alcohol, cocaine, and his wife Juanita.

I don't really think anything boxers having problems outside the ring in terms of their HOF status.

Lots of great boxers were scumbags outside the ring. Some of the stuff that guys like Ray Robinson, Jake LaMotta, Carlos Monzon, for instance, did, were just disgusting.

I agree 100%, unless what they do outside the ring affects their performance inside the ring, and I can't think of many cases where that has happened. Camacho stole something a while back in Miss. He is still fighting. The two are unrelated. Boxing is the one occupation where what you did before doesn't not matter. On balance, I'd vote Nunn in if I had a vote which I don't.