Should Michael Nunn be in the Hall?

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LeonardW12Hagler....
I actually disagree, I think his crimes should be taken into consideration.
As a notable figure in the boxing world Nunn brought the game into disrepute.
He will forever be known as Michael Nunn, former World Boxing Champion and as such his crimes will always have a spin-off effect on boxing.

Names like SRL, Ali and George Foreman reinforced their sure fire HoF passes when they became great ambassadors for the sport.
Nunn dirtied boxings name, although unintentionally.

Sugar Ray Leonard a great ambassador for the sport ? didn't he have cocaine addiction ? and i didn't think Muhammad Ali was a great ambassador for the sport either with his racism and disrespectful attitude to his opponents.

[LeonardW12Hagler]

LeonardW12Hagler....
I actually disagree, I think his crimes should be taken into consideration.
As a notable figure in the boxing world Nunn brought the game into disrepute.
He will forever be known as Michael Nunn, former World Boxing Champion and as such his crimes will always have a spin-off effect on boxing.

Names like SRL, Ali and George Foreman reinforced their sure fire HoF passes when they became great ambassadors for the sport.
Nunn dirtied boxings name, although unintentionally.

Sugar Ray Leonard a great ambassador for the sport ? didn't he have cocaine addiction ? and i didn't think Muhammad Ali was a great ambassador for the sport either with his racism and disrespectful attitude to his opponents.

Really I wasn't aware of Ray Leonard ever being accused of that WOW

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LeonardW12Hagler....
I actually disagree, I think his crimes should be taken into consideration.
As a notable figure in the boxing world Nunn brought the game into disrepute.
He will forever be known as Michael Nunn, former World Boxing Champion and as such his crimes will always have a spin-off effect on boxing.

Names like SRL, Ali and George Foreman reinforced their sure fire HoF passes when they became great ambassadors for the sport.
Nunn dirtied boxings name, although unintentionally.

Sugar Ray Leonard a great ambassador for the sport ? didn't he have cocaine addiction ? and i didn't think Muhammad Ali was a great ambassador for the sport either with his racism and disrespectful attitude to his opponents.

Really I wasn't aware of Ray Leonard ever being accused of that WOW

Look it up fella its pretty well known i believe it was round about the time he retired after the Kevin Howard fight in 1984 im not sure of the exact time though but he is a great fighter but i think its unfair to label Michael Nunn bad for the sport than put Sugar Ray Leonard as a great ambassador but thats just my opinion.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Yes that's true I can always claim the "well he's Irish anyway" line , I also noticed Ken Buchannan is in there and rightly so he was quality was around much longer and achieved much more.

Man I'm glad to hear that!

Buchanan was a fiery little competitor and had good skills.
Put on a good show with Duran, many would've crumbled.

Yep he would've got through that fight if it wasn't for you know what ! I think Duran would have still won on points but shows you what a ruthless , nasty bastard he was back then

Thats dead true man.
Buchanan may have been too tired to mount a victorious last few rounds, but he would have finished on his feet.

LeonardW12Hagler....
I actually disagree, I think his crimes should be taken into consideration.
As a notable figure in the boxing world Nunn brought the game into disrepute.
He will forever be known as Michael Nunn, former World Boxing Champion and as such his crimes will always have a spin-off effect on boxing.

Names like SRL, Ali and George Foreman reinforced their sure fire HoF passes when they became great ambassadors for the sport.
Nunn dirtied boxings name, although unintentionally.

Sugar Ray Leonard a great ambassador for the sport ? didn't he have cocaine addiction ? and i didn't think Muhammad Ali was a great ambassador for the sport either with his racism and disrespectful attitude to his opponents.

I believe I've had this debate with another poster in the past

The difference is that Sugar Ray has remained in the sport, redeeming himself as a positive infleunce through his promotion of amateur boxing, his contributions to charitable organisations and even by participating in the Contencder series, putting a positive shin eon the sport.
BIG difference.

As for Ali, all of his opponents liked him after their fights, even himself and Frazier made amens. He always spoke with a wink and a smile.

As for racism that fairly unfair of you. Ali grew up in another time and in the past 20 years I defy you to show me where Ali differentiated between balck and white.
Racism was very prevalent in Ali's prime and he struck back at legitimate haters. He is not a racist.

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judged by his boxing accomplishments I say yes. some impressive names on his record. tate, kalumbay, barkley, starling, curry, cordoba. he was also well beating toney before being Kod. the fight against rocchigianni was a hometown decision. I always think though we could have seen more from Nunn.

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As for racism that fairly unfair of you. Ali grew up in another time and in the past 20 years I defy you to show me where Ali differentiated between balck and white.
Racism was very prevalent in Ali's prime and he struck back at legitimate haters. He is not a racist.[/quote]

Sorry Donny - when Ali joined the Black Muslims, they genuinely belived that the black race was human and whites had been created by a mad scientist called Mr Yacub. They were banished to an island, but escaped and took over the world.

The Black Muslims belived all white people were evil, would not talk or make eye contact with anyone white and forbade thair families to have any contact with them at all. They were not integrationalist and wanted their own homeland where white people would not be permitted.

Admittedly, he did convert to mainstream Islam in the 80's - but Ali was a pretty bad guy when he was young.

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Michael Nunn, in terms of achievements, is borderline IMO. Canastota doesn't have the highest standards anyway.

I think Nunn being an underachiever might play a role in the voting process. People like overachievers more.

[rjj tszyu]

when I think of Nunn I think of the man who was the "next sugar ray" but got caught by Toney and never really lived upto his early potential.

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LeonardW12Hagler....
I actually disagree, I think his crimes should be taken into consideration.
As a notable figure in the boxing world Nunn brought the game into disrepute.
He will forever be known as Michael Nunn, former World Boxing Champion and as such his crimes will always have a spin-off effect on boxing.

Names like SRL, Ali and George Foreman reinforced their sure fire HoF passes when they became great ambassadors for the sport.
Nunn dirtied boxings name, although unintentionally.

Sugar Ray Leonard a great ambassador for the sport ? didn't he have cocaine addiction ? and i didn't think Muhammad Ali was a great ambassador for the sport either with his racism and disrespectful attitude to his opponents.

Really I wasn't aware of Ray Leonard ever being accused of that WOW

Leonard later admitted to having abused alcohol, cocaine, and his wife Juanita.

I don't really think anything boxers having problems outside the ring in terms of their HOF status.

Lots of great boxers were scumbags outside the ring. Some of the stuff that guys like Ray Robinson, Jake LaMotta, Carlos Monzon, for instance, did, were just disgusting.

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Sugar Ray Leonard a great ambassador for the sport ? didn't he have cocaine addiction ? and i didn't think Muhammad Ali was a great ambassador for the sport either with his racism and disrespectful attitude to his opponents.

Really I wasn't aware of Ray Leonard ever being accused of that WOW

Leonard later admitted to having abused alcohol, cocaine, and his wife Juanita.

I don't really think anything boxers having problems outside the ring in terms of their HOF status.

Lots of great boxers were scumbags outside the ring. Some of the stuff that guys like Ray Robinson, Jake LaMotta, Carlos Monzon, for instance, did, were just disgusting.

I agree 100%, unless what they do outside the ring affects their performance inside the ring, and I can't think of many cases where that has happened. Camacho stole something a while back in Miss. He is still fighting. The two are unrelated. Boxing is the one occupation where what you did before doesn't not matter. On balance, I'd vote Nunn in if I had a vote which I don't.

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IMO Nunn was simply a real good fighter, and only great fighters should be inducted, which he was not.

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But what about INGO, Polomino, Barry, Norton, Saad, Cuevas and some others? Not trying to argue the point, but I say Nunn is better than a lot of the guys who are in there.

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LeonardW12Hagler....
I actually disagree, I think his crimes should be taken into consideration.
As a notable figure in the boxing world Nunn brought the game into disrepute.
He will forever be known as Michael Nunn, former World Boxing Champion and as such his crimes will always have a spin-off effect on boxing.

Names like SRL, Ali and George Foreman reinforced their sure fire HoF passes when they became great ambassadors for the sport.
Nunn dirtied boxings name, although unintentionally.

Sugar Ray Leonard a great ambassador for the sport ? didn't he have cocaine addiction ? and i didn't think Muhammad Ali was a great ambassador for the sport either with his racism and disrespectful attitude to his opponents.

But they did change and Ali renounced the racism later. Still, you make a darn good point.