Well bro, the point of the exersize in here, is that we are all in the same boat just throwing around ideas that work or sometimes dont; it's up to the individual to take onboard whatever they want to or chuck whatever they want to.

Thats what I ment when I answered "thats not the point of the exersize to this question; (You seriously think RJJ would not have a better defense if he kept his hands up?)

No one in here will take offence if one thing works for some and not for others,thats all I ment.

A mug boxer is just a bend of the saying "its a mugs game". Most boxers dont make it,thats an unfortunate fact in a very tough sport, they are mugs thinking they ever could let alone trying with just the basics behind them, ;unfortunate but true.

I was just saying it because to really make it, you have to have absolutley everything going for you,luck ,skill ,balls ,vision,natuaral ability,the right trainer,the right managment the right timing in and out of the ring.You need the correct opponents to build up on and not be used for someone else to climb the ladder on your losses. You need to stand out from the crowd to attract the attention to get the breaks and that means a ko power or a skillfull ringmaster or both,theres no great breaks, for a normal stand up boxer! its long hard road that doesnt always lead to the top. Thats why people say "it a mugs game".