MArquez the greatest Mexican of this era....

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

You don't get that very often. Two great technical boxers delivering a very entertaining fight even a brawler lover could get into.

[Dark Lord Al]

JMM hasnt got the typical Mexican ROCK chin , but really is proving he is a fantastic fighter.

[GAME]

I dont think Marquez could prove he is the greatest of this era vs Casa but he performed well last night

[leftylee]

All he beat was a 36 yr old past it Joel Casamayor who got heavily outboxed by Santa Cruz and was getting beat by the one-dimensional Michael Katsidis until he threw one luckyshot which knocked Katsidis out. Of course it was a good achievement but stop overrating JMM. Let's remember he got knocked down 4 times in 2 fights with Pac and Barrera IMO beat JMM and Marquez got floored in that fight too.

[CutMeMick]

All he beat was a 36 yr old past it Joel Casamayor who got heavily outboxed by Santa Cruz and was getting beat by the one-dimensional Michael Katsidis until he threw one luckyshot which knocked Katsidis out.

It's the way the cookie crumbles lefty.
Fighters have for hundreds of years done this where age among other things factors in.
How many times in the past and today are fighters labeled past it and then they pull a rabbit out of a hat and win?

I'm a huge fan of Erik but if your gonna use that old criteria here then the same can be said for when Erik beat Zaragoza.
I think your talking from a fan point of view to which your not certain on the entire career of the fighters your just speaking from what you've seen recently. Just know that theres more then then meets the eye.

JMM won fair and square early in the fight Casa fought well but the superior fighter prevailed.

You say Casa threw a lucky shot, well luck is part of the game also and it's not ilegal in prizefighting. If were not couting lucky shots that win fights you know how many fights would be void because of a lucky shot?

Of course it was a good achievement but stop overrating JMM.

A good achievement?
Are you kidding me lefty?
JMM just joined the exclusive club of being a 3 division champ along with Julio C. Chavez, Erik Morales & Marco A. Barrera. (As far as Mexican fighters go)
I would say that's more then good that is brilliant.

Overrating JMM come on man if it's one thing JMM isn't that's overrated. For many years he was underrated and overshadowed by the big supertars now late in his career he's finally getting the long overdue respect he deserves by the masses.

Let's remember he got knocked down 4 times in 2 fights with Pac and Barrera IMO beat JMM and Marquez got floored in that fight too.

You are right he hit the canvas 3 times in 1 round but it also means he got up 3 times and quite possibly amounted thee greatest comeback in a fight.
Pacs power was superior and it will always be superior vs. almost anyone Pac fights against. But if it's easy to see how great JMM was able to box and at times make Pac look completely out of his game.

I love these matchups and have learned to love and respect fighters like Pac and MAB whom I wasn't big fans of but as I've matured as a fan I realize that matchups like this is what will forever have me as a fan. These Erik, MAB, JMM, Naz, Pac matchups although years apart are just fantastic and I've had an opp. to meet them all minus Naz and Pac (hopefully next month I'll meet Pac).

All in all lefty, I think your a cool kid but this time you clearly talked out of your arse...

[SigmaMu]

I am not huge on JMM and I should be Last nights fight was a great fight. And for the record, the stoppage was fair after reviewing the replay. Casa did not protest which is a clear indication most of the time that the figher was pretty much done.

[hitmanhatton]

does anybody think that JMM could become mexico's first 4 division champ now, could he go up to 140 and defeat one of the current champs as it is a weak division, he could just go up after a few fights at 135 to take on someone like holt or bradley and get that 4th weight title without too much difficulty, also theres a chance especially if pac fights hatton after DLh that their 3rd fight could happen at that weight

[CutMeMick]

does anybody think that JMM could become mexico's first 4 division champ now, could he go up to 140 and defeat one of the current champs as it is a weak division, he could just go up after a few fights at 135 to take on someone like holt or bradley and get that 4th weight title without too much difficulty, also theres a chance especially if pac fights hatton after DLh that their 3rd fight could happen at that weight

Brilliant post kid
I think JMM himself and his team should def. look at the big picture here and should def. consider taking a step to 140 and go for that 4th title it would fucken be magnificent for JMM.
As they say good things come to those who wait and JMM has had a lot of major set backs but looking at it now it looks like it was well worth the long trip.

I think they should go after the 4th title and just fly past Erik & MAB who for the better part had all the attention.

[hitmanhatton]

All he beat was a 36 yr old past it Joel Casamayor who got heavily outboxed by Santa Cruz and was getting beat by the one-dimensional Michael Katsidis until he threw one luckyshot which knocked Katsidis out.

It's the way the cookie crumbles lefty.
Fighters have for hundreds of years done this where age among other things factors in.
How many times in the past and today are fighters labeled past it and then they pull a rabbit out of a hat and win?

I'm a huge fan of Erik but if your gonna use that old criteria here then the same can be said for when Erik beat Zaragoza.
I think your talking from a fan point of view to which your not certain on the entire career of the fighters your just speaking from what you've seen recently. Just know that theres more then then meets the eye.

JMM won fair and square early in the fight Casa fought well but the superior fighter prevailed.

You say Casa threw a lucky shot, well luck is part of the game also and it's not ilegal in prizefighting. If were not couting lucky shots that win fights you know how many fights would be void because of a lucky shot?

Of course it was a good achievement but stop overrating JMM.

A good achievement?
Are you kidding me lefty?
JMM just joined the exclusive club of being a 3 division champ along with Julio C. Chavez, Erik Morales & Marco A. Barrera. (As far as Mexican fighters go)
I would say that's more then good that is brilliant.

Overrating JMM come on man if it's one thing JMM isn't that's overrated. For many years he was underrated and overshadowed by the big supertars now late in his career he's finally getting the long overdue respect he deserves by the masses.

Let's remember he got knocked down 4 times in 2 fights with Pac and Barrera IMO beat JMM and Marquez got floored in that fight too.

You are right he hit the canvas 3 times in 1 round but it also means he got up 3 times and quite possibly amounted thee greatest comeback in a fight.
Pacs power was superior and it will always be superior vs. almost anyone Pac fights against. But if it's easy to see how great JMM was able to box and at times make Pac look completely out of his game.

I love these matchups and have learned to love and respect fighters like Pac and MAB whom I wasn't big fans of but as I've matured as a fan I realize that matchups like this is what will forever have me as a fan. These Erik, MAB, JMM, Naz, Pac matchups although years apart are just fantastic and I've had an opp. to meet them all minus Naz and Pac (hopefully next month I'll meet Pac).

All in all lefty, I think your a cool kid but this time you clearly talked out of your arse...

you do ?!?!?!

[Mr140]

Yea he was knocked down but at least he was not knocked out like Eric and Mab so i think that says somthing about JMM dont you dude.

[leftylee]

All he beat was a 36 yr old past it Joel Casamayor who got heavily outboxed by Santa Cruz and was getting beat by the one-dimensional Michael Katsidis until he threw one luckyshot which knocked Katsidis out.

It's the way the cookie crumbles lefty.
Fighters have for hundreds of years done this where age among other things factors in.
How many times in the past and today are fighters labeled past it and then they pull a rabbit out of a hat and win?

I'm a huge fan of Erik but if your gonna use that old criteria here then the same can be said for when Erik beat Zaragoza.
I think your talking from a fan point of view to which your not certain on the entire career of the fighters your just speaking from what you've seen recently. Just know that theres more then then meets the eye.

JMM won fair and square early in the fight Casa fought well but the superior fighter prevailed.

You say Casa threw a lucky shot, well luck is part of the game also and it's not ilegal in prizefighting. If were not couting lucky shots that win fights you know how many fights would be void because of a lucky shot?

Just like Casa did against Katsidis. He threw a left hook he'll never throw again in his career. Look at Antonio Tarver v Roy Jones. Tarver threw a one hit wonder shot. Come on now. Even you know that Casamayor was definitely shot. He looked so old against Katsidis bar the 2 flash knockdowns he scored and the fluky left hook.

Of course it was a good achievement but stop overrating JMM.

A good achievement?
Are you kidding me lefty?
JMM just joined the exclusive club of being a 3 division champ along with Julio C. Chavez, Erik Morales & Marco A. Barrera. (As far as Mexican fighters go)
I would say that's more then good that is brilliant.

Overrating JMM come on man if it's one thing JMM isn't that's overrated. For many years he was underrated and overshadowed by the big supertars now late in his career he's finally getting the long overdue respect he deserves by the masses.

JMM is a great fighter with suberb skills and yes it was a good achievement beating Casamayor but it was nothing more than good based on how Casamayor was at the time. And many felt he never got the decision against Barrera and if it weren't for fukked up scoring by the judge in the first Pac bout Marquez would have another loss on his resume.

Let's remember he got knocked down 4 times in 2 fights with Pac and Barrera IMO beat JMM and Marquez got floored in that fight too.

You are right he hit the canvas 3 times in 1 round but it also means he got up 3 times and quite possibly amounted thee greatest comeback in a fight.
Pacs power was superior and it will always be superior vs. almost anyone Pac fights against. But if it's easy to see how great JMM was able to box and at times make Pac look completely out of his game.

I love these matchups and have learned to love and respect fighters like Pac and MAB whom I wasn't big fans of but as I've matured as a fan I realize that matchups like this is what will forever have me as a fan. These Erik, MAB, JMM, Naz, Pac matchups although years apart are just fantastic and I've had an opp. to meet them all minus Naz and Pac (hopefully next month I'll meet Pac).

They're great matchups, I agree with you on that. But come on Mick. All JMM done was beat Joel Casamayor. And now your implying he's on a new level all of a sudden. Pathetic. He'll stay were he is in the P4P rankings. And the fact Marquez was the heavy favourite before the fight against the naturally bigger guy and the champion in Casamayor just shows how good Casamayor is/was right there with the odds.

All in all lefty, I think your a cool kid but this time you clearly talked out of your arse...

I'm not talking out my ass. You're overhyping JMM.

[Gandalf]

I dont think Marquez could prove he is the greatest of this era vs Casa but he performed well last night

I always have issues with "the greatest" tag. He's certainly a quality fighter with a very good resume. No doubt about that.

[CutMeMick]

If JMM can continue on this path of wining and close out his career in style he would have def. sealed that he is on par with "Finito" Lopez, Roman, Sanchez & Canto as the greatest tactical fighters that Mexico has produced.

Anyone who can't see how JMM voids and nullifies his opponents as fights go on is fucken blind.

Look I'm not a PBF fan but it's clear to see his greatness when he's counterpunching and fighting on the defensive.