Joel gets stopped - major surprise

[killersheep]

It's the one from the magazine... but I didn't really refer to it when I justified PAC's no. 1 ranking at 135...
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You still haven't justified PAC at number 1.

I already did... but you have a different opinion... I respect that...
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You provided no valid arguments for ranking PAC higher than JMM at 135.

[XaduBoxer]

You still haven't justified PAC at number 1.

I already did... but you have a different opinion... I respect that...
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You provided no valid arguments for ranking PAC higher than JMM at 135.

At least me and Fightnews agree and ranked PAC at no. 1 ... (actually I copied Fightnews )
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[ICB]

I already did... but you have a different opinion... I respect that...
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You provided no valid arguments for ranking PAC higher than JMM at 135.

At least me and Fightnews agree and ranked PAC at no. 1 ... (actually I copied Fightnews )
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Yea you copied fightnews because you have no opinion of your own.

[XaduBoxer]

You provided no valid arguments for ranking PAC higher than JMM at 135.

At least me and Fightnews agree and ranked PAC at no. 1 ... (actually I copied Fightnews )
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Yea you copied fightnews because you have no opinion of your own.

It will sound too arrogant if I'll claimed Fightnews copied my rankings... Seriously I think PAC is the no. 1 lightweight...

Anyway since PAC will be jumping to 147... I hope Campbell and JMM will have a fight to determine who's no. 1 (the spot vacated by PAC) ...
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[killersheep]

At least me and Fightnews agree and ranked PAC at no. 1 ... (actually I copied Fightnews )
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Yea you copied fightnews because you have no opinion of your own.

It will sound too arrogant if I'll claimed Fightnews copied my rankings... Seriously I think PAC is the no. 1 lightweight...

Anyway since PAC will be jumping to 147... I hope Campbell and JMM will have a fight to determine who's no. 1 (the spot vacated by PAC) ...
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[killersheep]

I already did... but you have a different opinion... I respect that...
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You provided no valid arguments for ranking PAC higher than JMM at 135.

At least me and Fightnews agree and ranked PAC at no. 1 ... (actually I copied Fightnews )
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So maybe you can tell me how Fightnews ranks fighters? Let's start with that.

[XaduBoxer]

You provided no valid arguments for ranking PAC higher than JMM at 135.

At least me and Fightnews agree and ranked PAC at no. 1 ... (actually I copied Fightnews )
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So maybe you can tell me how Fightnews ranks fighters? Let's start with that.

The most logical answer why Valero is ranked by Fightnews at lightweight even if Valero has no fight yet at that division is because he's a 130 champ... That's how I read it...

[killersheep]

At least me and Fightnews agree and ranked PAC at no. 1 ... (actually I copied Fightnews )
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So maybe you can tell me how Fightnews ranks fighters? Let's start with that.

The most logical answer why Valero is ranked by Fightnews at lightweight even if Valero has no fight yet at that division is because he's a 130 champ... That's how I read it...

hmmm sounds like a guess to me. So you agree with an organization's rankings but can't say why they do things the way they do. You are a fanatic, and chose fightnews because they have PAC at # 1.

Let's go with THE RING who I am using for this argument. You gain rankings by beating ranked fighters. You become champ by beating the champ. If the champ retires the number 1 and 2 (in certain case 1 and 3) fight to become champ. Simple makes sense. Makes a lot more sense than a popularity contest which is exactly what fightnews rankings are.

[XaduBoxer]

So maybe you can tell me how Fightnews ranks fighters? Let's start with that.

The most logical answer why Valero is ranked by Fightnews at lightweight even if Valero has no fight yet at that division is because he's a 130 champ... That's how I read it...

hmmm sounds like a guess to me. So you agree with an organization's rankings but can't say why they do things the way they do. You are a fanatic, and chose fightnews because they have PAC at # 1.

Let's go with THE RING who I am using for this argument. You gain rankings by beating ranked fighters. You become champ by beating the champ. If the champ retires the number 1 and 2 (in certain case 1 and 3) fight to become champ. Simple makes sense. Makes a lot more sense than a popularity contest which is exactly what fightnews rankings are.

There's no perfect ranking system... The RING? It's only a magazine... Casamayor's RING belt is not that highly regarded because the RING rankings also has its own flaws...

[killersheep]

The most logical answer why Valero is ranked by Fightnews at lightweight even if Valero has no fight yet at that division is because he's a 130 champ... That's how I read it...

hmmm sounds like a guess to me. So you agree with an organization's rankings but can't say why they do things the way they do. You are a fanatic, and chose fightnews because they have PAC at # 1.

Let's go with THE RING who I am using for this argument. You gain rankings by beating ranked fighters. You become champ by beating the champ. If the champ retires the number 1 and 2 (in certain case 1 and 3) fight to become champ. Simple makes sense. Makes a lot more sense than a popularity contest which is exactly what fightnews rankings are.

There's no perfect ranking system... The RING? It's only a magazine... Casamayor's RING belt is not that highly regarded because the RING rankings also has its own flaws...

The ring is not only a magazine, it is the only organization that recognizes who the real lineal champ of each division is. Please tell me the flaws of the Ring system.

[OumaFan]

I don't care about rankings or lineal or anything but as far as the fight goes I was fairly surprised he stopped Casa but not even remotely surprised he won because I think Casa was past it. And that wasn't a result of this fight, I've been saying that since the last Corralles fight on here often. Still JMM was impressive, amazing offensive fighter.

[Spicoli]

I keep trying to read through this but it keeps growing in pages too fast what a fight ! The rumors of Marquez's demise have been greatly over stated.I am not surprised that Marquez pulled it out but I had reservations about the weight being an issue...........so much for that.

Marquez was just way too accurate and sharp a hitter down the stretch for a bit past it but still superb thinker fighter in Casamayor.May sound cornball but in an odd way it was almost just as interesting watching them think as it was seeing the exchanges,both very calculating but Marquez again cemented his place as one of the most proficient and top ring generals over the last number of years.

The lightweights are exploding before us,awesome match ups recently and in the future.I would have to rank Campbell as above the rest right now,off of his dismantling of an arguable HOF'er and long term champ in Casamayor.....Marquez at 2.Pac debuted at light against a limited but all courage & grit Diaz but he was just keeping the belt warm for him Imo....3rd!Is there any doubt they should go for the trilogy,the contentious and heated nature of they're prior two will be debated for many moons.Looks like Pac is more interested in lining his pockets vs. The Diva though.I dont think Guzman or any other fighter should be ranked in a division they have never competed in,Off his debacle and weight problems....he may skip division entirely ??