Joel gets stopped - major surprise

[XaduBoxer]

hmmm sounds like a guess to me. So you agree with an organization's rankings but can't say why they do things the way they do. You are a fanatic, and chose fightnews because they have PAC at # 1.

Let's go with THE RING who I am using for this argument. You gain rankings by beating ranked fighters. You become champ by beating the champ. If the champ retires the number 1 and 2 (in certain case 1 and 3) fight to become champ. Simple makes sense. Makes a lot more sense than a popularity contest which is exactly what fightnews rankings are.

There's no perfect ranking system... The RING? It's only a magazine... Casamayor's RING belt is not that highly regarded because the RING rankings also has its own flaws...

The ring is not only a magazine, it is the only organization that recognizes who the real lineal champ of each division is. Please tell me the flaws of the Ring system.

"You become champ by beating the champ" can be considered a flaw since it can be also manipulated on who will control the belt. The challenger need not work up the rankings to get a shot at the ring champ.

The ring champ has no mandatories and this also can be considered a flaw.

[killersheep]

There's no perfect ranking system... The RING? It's only a magazine... Casamayor's RING belt is not that highly regarded because the RING rankings also has its own flaws...

The ring is not only a magazine, it is the only organization that recognizes who the real lineal champ of each division is. Please tell me the flaws of the Ring system.

"You become champ by beating the champ" can be considered a flaw since it can be also manipulated on who will control the belt. The challenger need not work up the rankings to get a shot at the ring champ.

The ring champ has no mandatories and this also can be considered a flaw.

Of course the Champ controls the belt, who else would?

Why is not having any mandatories a flaw?

[XaduBoxer]

The ring is not only a magazine, it is the only organization that recognizes who the real lineal champ of each division is. Please tell me the flaws of the Ring system.

"You become champ by beating the champ" can be considered a flaw since it can be also manipulated on who will control the belt. The challenger need not work up the rankings to get a shot at the ring champ.

The ring champ has no mandatories and this also can be considered a flaw.

Of course the Champ controls the belt, who else would?

Why is not having any mandatories a flaw?

How about the promoter of the champ who chooses only challengers that he also promotes... The promoter controlling the ring belt... Example: Casamayor > JMM > Juan Diaz or Casamayor (again) or Katsidis... You know the promoter of these boxers, the owner of Ring magazine...

The ring champ can keep his belt for years by not fighting since he is not forced to make a mandatory fight...
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[killersheep]

"You become champ by beating the champ" can be considered a flaw since it can be also manipulated on who will control the belt. The challenger need not work up the rankings to get a shot at the ring champ.

The ring champ has no mandatories and this also can be considered a flaw.

Of course the Champ controls the belt, who else would?

Why is not having any mandatories a flaw?

How about the promoter of the champ who chooses only challengers that he also promotes... The promoter controlling the ring belt... Example: Casamayor > JMM > Juan Diaz or Casamayor (again) or Katsidis... You know the promoter of these boxers, the owner of Ring magazine...

The ring champ can keep his belt for years by not fighting since he is not forced to make a mandatory fight...
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So what are you proposing that's better?

[XaduBoxer]

Of course the Champ controls the belt, who else would?

Why is not having any mandatories a flaw?

How about the promoter of the champ who chooses only challengers that he also promotes... The promoter controlling the ring belt... Example: Casamayor > JMM > Juan Diaz or Casamayor (again) or Katsidis... You know the promoter of these boxers, the owner of Ring magazine...

The ring champ can keep his belt for years by not fighting since he is not forced to make a mandatory fight...
.

So what are you proposing that's better?

Nothing... It's been there for years and any system can be potentially corrupted... Any system will be flawed... Heard about people cursing those alphabet belts?

So we have to live with my own "flawed" rankings that PAC is the no. 1 lightweight in the world right now... Agree ??
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[killersheep]

How about the promoter of the champ who chooses only challengers that he also promotes... The promoter controlling the ring belt... Example: Casamayor > JMM > Juan Diaz or Casamayor (again) or Katsidis... You know the promoter of these boxers, the owner of Ring magazine...

The ring champ can keep his belt for years by not fighting since he is not forced to make a mandatory fight...
.

So what are you proposing that's better?

Nothing... It's been there for years and any system can be potentially corrupted... Any system will be flawed... Heard about people cursing those alphabet belts?

So we have to live with my own "flawed" rankings that PAC is the no. 1 lightweight in the world right now... Agree ??
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Reasons to use the ring over Alphabet belts

Alphabet titles don't rank other alphabet champs, ranks can be purchased, titles can be lost by not paying fees, of because an organization "feels like it". They rank people that haven't fought in a division

Reasons to use The Ring over fightnews.com and yahoo.com

fightnews and yahoo are based strictly on someone's opinion
they rank people that haven't fought in a division.
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Bottom line: You still have not justified PAC at # 1.

The Ring is the most definitive way to define a champ

fightnews.com has no merit to define who is # 1 in a division.

YOU ARE A DAMN FANATIC.

[XaduBoxer]

So what are you proposing that's better?

Nothing... It's been there for years and any system can be potentially corrupted... Any system will be flawed... Heard about people cursing those alphabet belts?

So we have to live with my own "flawed" rankings that PAC is the no. 1 lightweight in the world right now... Agree ??
.

Reasons to use the ring over Alphabet belts

Alphabet titles don't rank other alphabet champs, ranks can be purchased, titles can be lost by not paying fees, of because an organization "feels like it". They rank people that haven't fought in a division

Reasons to use The Ring over fightnews.com and yahoo.com

fightnews and yahoo are based strictly on someone's opinion
they rank people that haven't fought in a division.
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Bottom line: You still have not justified PAC at # 1.

The Ring is the most definitive way to define a champ

fightnews.com has no merit to define who is # 1 in a division.

YOU ARE A DAMN FANATIC.

Are you mad? Please don't take rankings (and belts) seriously... We can discuss about it and that's it... These things is part of boxing politics that ruining the sport...

What matters most to us fans is the fight itself... Just hope they'll make the best fights out there and we will be satisfied...

F u c k those rankings and belts... (after several pages discussing it)
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[RozzySean]

So what are you proposing that's better?

Nothing... It's been there for years and any system can be potentially corrupted... Any system will be flawed... Heard about people cursing those alphabet belts?

So we have to live with my own "flawed" rankings that PAC is the no. 1 lightweight in the world right now... Agree ??
.

Reasons to use the ring over Alphabet belts

Alphabet titles don't rank other alphabet champs, ranks can be purchased, titles can be lost by not paying fees, of because an organization "feels like it". They rank people that haven't fought in a division

Reasons to use The Ring over fightnews.com and yahoo.com

fightnews and yahoo are based strictly on someone's opinion
they rank people that haven't fought in a division.
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Bottom line: You still have not justified PAC at # 1.

The Ring is the most definitive way to define a champ

fightnews.com has no merit to define who is # 1 in a division.

YOU ARE A DAMN FANATIC.

Fightnews is good for one thing. Their ranking page will tell you in an instant all the alphabet titleholder the ranking of each idiotic organization. It will give you a decent idea of the state of a whole division. I wouldn't take there own ranking to mean much, but when I see a fight like Pavlik/Lockett announced, I go to fightnews to check the soup ranking before I make an indignant post on Saddo's. Fights like that might be stupid, but sometimes you gotta have them to keep a soup belt.