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I like the way people use Castillo as justification to dismiss Margaritos chances. After all didn't Jose push him close twice? Didn't Judah and ODLH push him close?
When was the last time PBF stayed centre ring entire fight?
I hear the word accuracy a lot as a deterant for Tony, How accurate can Floyd be? every single punch Cotto threw landed on the point of Margaritos chin, with more power than Floyd has ever thrown a punch.
Yes Marg is slow, but he doesn't stop coming. Baldomir couldn't crack an egg and he has half Tony's output, Hatton is a so called pressure fighter who throw's 40 punches a round
there is no comparison.
Marg throws wide punches? 90% of the punches he threw against Cotto had minimum back swing/follow through, and came through the centre, they weren't the wild swings that N'dou threw in that gif where Mayweather avoids them, and half this board masturbates over. The commentators thought Cotto was winning the fight early cause they
thought Tonys short punches, which hit arms/shoulders/ribs, were ineffective, NOT because Cotto was making him look like a bum.
Believe it or not I have PBF favourite if this fight comes off, I'm just being one sided in my arguments because the majority of you are being ridicilously one sided in yours.
If I were a trainer I'd be recommending PBFs style before any other, but guess what an apparently unbeatable style doesn't always equate to being a complete legend of your time. You have to prove it in the ring. Tyson looked unbeatable for four years, what if he retired before Douglas? would we give him the benefit of the doubt on beating every heavyweight that came after? unfortunately we probably would.
PBF has a very very good resume, but he has not faced the main challengers that were available to him at the time he was active to be considered amongst the Armstrongs/Robinsons of this world. Corrales was a good unbeaten name, give him that, Castillo is ONLY famous BECAUSE of his performances against PBF, He did not fight Tszyu when he stepped to 140, he fought Mitchell and Gatti, funny how he managed to fit those guys in for prob less than a million. I actually rate ODLH as a great win since it was a new weight and Oscar looked good in the previous fight and in Floyd's fight. Hatton, well he never showed anything at Welter.
Anyway, rant over.
First off Floyd Mayweather Jr had a bad shoulder injury in the first fight with Jose Luis Castillo. And wasn't 100 percent, in the 2nd fight when he was 100 percent he easily avoided Jose Luis Castillo with good movement and not getting trapped on the ropes and i thought he clearly won by 3 rounds so i wouldn't say it was close..........
As for Zab Judah ? how did he push Floyd Mayweather close ? he won 3 out of the first 4 rounds. And that was it he never won any other rounds, and Floyd Mayweather figured him out after the 4th round and busted him badly and he landed almost 3 times as many power punches...........
ODLH vs Floyd Mayweather wasn't close either i had Floyd Mayweather winning by 3 or 4 rounds comfortably. But i don't see what Judah or ODLH has to do with Margarito vs Mayweather the fact is ODLH and Judah are much faster and throw there punches with much better technique, where as Antonio is slow handspeed wise and throws his punches wide and even his footwork is pretty slow aswell........
And how can you say Ricky Hatton isn't good pressure fighter ? he is one of the best pressure fighters of the modern era IMO, and do you know why his output was low against Floyd Mayweather ? because Floyd Mayweather clinched Hatton and slowed the fight down. Hatton has very quick feet and good handspeed yet he landed at a very low percentage.............
As for Mike Tyson looking unbeatable ? well he didn't to me he wern't that far away from losing to James Tillis and Tony Tucker outboxed him until he broke his right hand.
Oh COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOme on, you weren't alive when Tyson was mowing through his opposition. Hindsight is a beautiful thing.
It's a hypothetical comparison, people in this era think Floyd's unbeatable, just as
people belived Tyson was unbeatable. You missed the entire point of my post, which just cos a guy
seems unbeatable due to his ability, it doesnt mean he shouldn't prove it in the ring against all logical opposition.
Would you rather have a situation where every single boxer has, let say, 20 fights, then the title is decided by a panel of fans between two guys that have never faced each other, on the merits of their bouts against random opposition?
I'm not doubting PBF's talent for a second, he is brilliant, but no one is unbeatable, I was just listing the guys that had some success (DLH,Castillo...) against him, certainly as much success as Tillis and Tucker had against Mike.
He does have a good legacy, but it won't be considered legendary in 20 years time. I'm not saying he has an obligation to come back, just stating what he needs to do to be considered among the genuine greats which he seems to believe he has already achieved.
As for Hatton, I'm not talking about the PBF fight alone, the compubox numbers from all his fights between Tzyu and Floyd state as FACT that the average number of punches he throws per round is well BELOW the LWW average, which is not expected for a pressure fighter. Marg averages twice as much, so just as you say the DLH fight isn't indicative of how a Marg-Floyd fight would pan out, neither does the Hatton fight.
I will state it again, IMO Floyd is favourite against Marg, but sure as hell won't be an easy night, Floyd certainly doesn't belive it'd be easy otherwise it would have happened a long time ago.
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